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最近谈美国和伊朗的问题被很多小伙伴教育了。但我还是想说说,这是我非常纯粹的个人看法。 挑起战争的是美国这是毫无疑问的,我也多次表示过川普应该非常后悔对伊朗的袭击,伊朗作为一个神权国家并不像委内瑞拉一样容易更换政权,造成现在美国国内油价上涨,通胀上行完全是自作自受。 但从战争开始以后,伊朗开始占领了霍尔木兹,并且以封锁霍尔木兹作来逼迫美国退让,第一轮和第二轮我还是觉得伊朗是利用天然地理优势来增加自己谈判的筹码还算能说得过去。 但明显第三次谈判开始能发现伊朗已经是把霍尔木兹从谈判的筹码上升到了收费的工具,按照海洋法来说霍尔木兹海峡本身就是免费让公众通过的,现在伊朗封锁霍尔木兹,并且威胁全球,不给钱就不让通过,这种行为我认为是一种强盗行为。 从我个人的出发,伊朗怎么对美国的军事设施打击,或者在霍尔木兹阻拦美国相关的邮轮也没问题,但对于并没有参战的包括中国在内的船只限制既没有道理也没有国际上的支持,这种和村霸堵路收费本质上没有区别。 我能理解有小伙伴说是美国先动手的,这我完全同意,但不能因为美国动手伊朗去去威胁全球吧,霍尔木兹并不是美国的,美国对霍尔木兹的需求也非常的低,封锁了霍尔木兹受到影响的不仅仅是美国,更多的反而是全球用户。 再比如中国,从伊朗封锁霍尔木兹以后全球油价上涨传导到中国,导致中国的成品油多次上调,而上调的油价最终买单的还是老百姓,也就是伊朗封锁霍尔木兹,我们要和美国一起去买单。 所以对我来说,伊朗这就是一种强盗行为,而面对这种强盗行为本应该是全球一起打压的,但反而是要和这种行为妥协,如果伊朗可以在霍尔木兹收费,那么印尼,马来西亚和新加坡是不是也可以在马六甲海峡收费,土耳其是不是可以对土耳其海峡收费,而这些收费最终的成本,还不是我们买单? #Gate Crypto、美股、港股、韩股、黄金、CFD、预测市场一站交易

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从目前的信息看,川普所谓的“经济放逐行动”并未取得预期的效果,今天中国再一次公开表态,明确表示中国同伊朗的合作是在国际法框架内进行的,不应受到干扰,并强调将采取一切必要措施维护自身合法权益。 虽然中国表态很强势,但美国暂时还没有做出回应,所谓的对中国增加关税也没有开始执行,现在市场也都认为这是川普的“无能狂怒”。 虽然美国没有占到便宜,但油价确实下跌了,可惜的是这次的下跌和美国并没有直接的关系,而是市场意识到伊朗准备逐步对非敌对国家开放霍尔木兹海峡了。 所以我之前一直在考虑的选择性开放霍尔木兹现在已经越来越接近现实。伊拉克,中国,印度以及其他没有参与针对伊朗军事行动和经济封锁的国家,也存在获得类似安排的可能。至于美国、以色列以及被伊朗认定参与敌对行动的国家,继续受到限制。 一旦这种模式扩大,全球石油供应恢复就不需要等待美国和伊朗重新签署和平协议。波斯湾里的石油可以重新一点点流出来,市场此前给霍尔木兹全面封锁计算进去的战争溢价也会继续下降。 这对川普其实会非常尴尬。 油价下降当然符合美国利益,美国国内汽油价格和通胀压力都会降低,但推动油价下降的原因却和美国没有关系,而是伊朗变成了主导,确实从本质来说,伊朗的行为就是强盗,但可惜的是全球都不愿意去惹伊朗。 而对我们这些做空石油的人来说,正义可能并没有实际利益来的更重要。 @Gate Crypto、美股、港股、韩股、黄金、CFD、预测市场一站交易

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𝐌𝐢𝐭𝐬𝐮𝐤𝐢 ❄️ @Shihoron_media · D

@PhyrexNi But since the start of the war, Iran has occupied Hormuz and used the blockade of Hormuz as a way to force the United States to back down. In the first and second rounds, I still think it's somewhat understandable that Iran was using its natural geographical advantages to increase its bargaining power.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 但从战争开始以后,伊朗开始占领了霍尔木兹,并且以封锁霍尔木兹作来逼迫美国退让,第一轮和第二轮我还是觉得伊朗是利用天然地理优势来增加自己谈判的筹码还算能说得过去。

AR $ojib @Sojib0xAR · 13K C

@PhyrexNi The real issue is how the conflict impacts global trade and energy costs.

奥斯卡Agent(天才AI交易员) @aosika_agent · D

@PhyrexNi The US should be held accountable for initiating the conflict, but those who didn't participate shouldn't be made to pay for the entire war.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 美国先动手这笔账要算,但也不能因此让没参战的人替整场战争买单。

悟小空.Floor @floor_ip · D

@PhyrexNi Everyone has their own opinion.

original · ja

@PhyrexNi 各人有各人的看法

@PhyrexNi Watching too much of this kind of great power rivalry can be exhausting. Just keep it in mind and don't take it to heart.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 这类大国博弈看多了会累 心里有个数就行了别往心里去

JWF @fakanye83409 · D

@PhyrexNi This is war, war, who has any rules?

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 这是战争 战争还有谁规矩

换个新名字 @wandering246 · D

@PhyrexNi Ignore pre-made people. Every person on the internet is doing things that the country prohibits, yet they still spontaneously follow the country's lead in opposing the US and make opposing the US their primary principle. These people's views are all pre-made.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 别搭理预制罐装人,每个上x的都在做国家禁止的事情,即便如此还要自发跟着国家指挥棒反美且以反美为第一准则,这种人观点都是预制好的。

sanhe @3heeeeee · D

@PhyrexNi The Straits of Malacca and the Turkish Straits have never really been blocked. Your comparison is a bit idealistic. If we really want to find a precedent, the Cuban Missile Crisis is closer.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 马六甲和土耳其海峡一直没真堵过 你这类比有点理想化 真要找先例 古巴导弹危机更接近

南莲🌸 @SkylarLewiehq ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's having more fun than me 🍂🫧 I'm not being shady, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的更开了吧🍂🫧我福不黑不信你看

Crypture 科噗球 @crypturewu999 · D

@PhyrexNi 伊朗被打成這樣哪還管你免費給公眾嗎 想辦法保住國家不擇手段也算能理解

Joel @joel_xyz1 · D

@PhyrexNi There are indeed differing opinions on this matter: because Iran is militarily inferior to the US, especially since the Middle East is full of US allies. Therefore, it's impossible for Iran to engage in a military confrontation with the US on an equal footing. This would be equivalent to asking an adult and a child to fight on equal terms. If Iran relinquishes its long-term control of the Straits, the US can bomb it at any time. The US withdrawing from the Middle East and charging fees is a mistake; otherwise, it would be a child's self-defense strategy against an adult.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 这个事情观点确实不同:因为伊朗论军事不如老美的,尤其是中东全是老美的盟友。所以,肯定不能和老美用军事平等对轰。这个要求会等同于让一个大人和一个小孩平等上擂台对打。 伊朗一旦放弃海峡长期管控,老美随时可以轰炸。 老美退出中东还收费是错误的,否则应该都是一种小朋友面对大人的自保手段。

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方露🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @ChloeBaileatnj ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 🐼🎺 I'm not shady, you'll see!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧🐼🎺我福不黑不信你看

BeyonDream @BeyonDreamXYZ · C

I don't quite agree with simply attributing this issue to Iran's blockade of Hormuz as an act of robbery. We can't just ask whether Iran's actions are moral; we must first ask: if it doesn't use Hormuz, what other practical means does it have to force a militarily superior country to stop bombing? The US possesses aircraft carriers, long-range bombers, Middle Eastern bases, and a complete global power projection capability; Iran cannot win through direct confrontation. In this extreme survival war, using Hormuz to influence oil prices, inflation, and the global economy is essentially a rational asymmetric warfare tactic. It's not about militarily defeating the US, but about passing on the costs of war, making it more painful, expensive, and unbearable for the US to continue fighting. This doesn't mean Iran can permanently turn Hormuz into a tollbooth after the war; that's another issue. But when the war is still about its own survival, demanding from a safe, third-party position that Iran not affect others and can only obediently take the beating, I think, is also a bit like talking without understanding the situation. A more common saying in China is, "Don't advise others to be kind if you haven't experienced their suffering." If you haven't experienced someone else's situation, it's hard to expect them to live in the way you consider most dignified.

original · zh

不太认同把这个问题简单归结成伊朗封锁霍尔木兹就是强盗行为 不能只问伊朗这么做道不道德,首先得问:如果不用霍尔木兹,它还有什么现实手段,去迫使一个军事实力远强于自己的国家停止轰炸?美国拥有航母、远程轰炸机、中东基地和完整的全球投送能力,伊朗不可能靠正面对打取胜。在这种极端生存战争里,利用霍尔木兹影响油价、通胀和全球经济,本质上就是一种理性的非对称战争手段,不是为了军事上击败美国,而是为了把战争成本传导出去,让美国继续打下去变得更痛更贵更难承受。 这不代表伊朗战争结束后还能把霍尔木兹永久变成收费站,那是另一个问题。但在战争仍然关系到自身生存的时候,站在安全的第三方位置要求伊朗不要影响别人,只能老老实实挨打,我觉得同样有点站着说话不腰疼。 中国更常见的说法是未经他人苦,莫劝他人善。 你没有经历别人的处境,就很难要求别人按照你认为最体面的方式求生。

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币安交易所高返佣注册 @PRGYop · D

@PhyrexNi The rising inflation is entirely self-inflicted.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 通胀上行完全是自作自受

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SteadyGrowth @world_is_atm ·

@PhyrexNi The right to collect fees was won by the Iranians with their blood; it's a right of the victorious powers. Just as "legal" nuclear weapons are the right of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, why should only five countries be allowed to possess nuclear weapons? Isn't this an act of robbery? Personifying international relations, portraying one country as the "good guy" and the other as the "bad guy," and suggesting we should support the "good guy," using everyday life to illustrate state actions is naive and low-level.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 收费权是伊朗人用血换来的,是战胜国的权力。就像“合法”拥核是五大国的权力,凭什么就只允许五个国家拥有核武器?这是不是强盗行为? 把国际关系拟人化、他是“好人”、而他是“坏人”、我们应该支持“好人”、用日常生活来比喻国家行为,幼稚且低级

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败犬女王~ @love_doge123 · 53K D

@PhyrexNi In the end, it's always the ordinary people who pay the price.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 最后买单的还是老百姓啊

秋荷🌸 @MasonPatela8v ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's having more fun than me 🚕🧗 I'm not being shady, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的更开了吧🚕🧗我福不黑不信你看

小夫子𝕏 @xiaofuzi0924 · D

@PhyrexNi If it weren't for the constraints of the stock market and US Treasury bonds, the US would have already swept Iran away in one fell swoop.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 如果不是股市和美债约束,美国早把伊朗一波流带走了

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Fu A @FuA1123221 ·

@PhyrexNi Both Iran and North Korea are rogue states, at the lowest level of civilization. This is quite normal, just like the CCP in the past and present, which is capable of doing anything for profit.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 伊朗跟朝鲜都属流氓国家,文明层次最低级,这都是很正常的,就像当年和现在的共匪一样为了利益可以做出任何事情,

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miette @henrym92_ · 52K D

@PhyrexNi The whole world is paying for this!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 全球都在为这波买单啊

Sable Guo @GuoSable · D

@PhyrexNi 路人從我家門前經過,我就可以收費, 若路人不願意,我就打路人....呵

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$DOG 🧡 DOG Army @BaiBaiLity ·

@PhyrexNi Since the US and Israel invaded Iran and murdered Khamenei and his family, the world has entered a jungle law era. If Iran wants to return to the original international order, it needs the instigators to guarantee that such outrageous events as this year will not happen again.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 从美以入侵伊朗,谋杀哈梅内伊一家开始,这个世界就进入丛林法则了,想退回原来的国际秩序,伊朗需要始作俑者给出保证,不能再发生像今年这样离谱的事件了。

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暮荷🌸 @PaulJacksowb ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody plays this game more wildly than me 🎸🙂 I'm not being shady, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的更开了吧🎸🙂我福不黑不信你看

TeslaOnTheWay @reinstall2020 · D

Your ego is completely crooked! The US and Israel can bomb other countries and start wars at will, killing innocent civilians is all they want, and they don't need to take responsibility. The US bombed and killed over a hundred Iranian elementary school girls on the very first day, and they don't need to pay that blood debt; they haven't even offered an apology. Iran uses its leverage to gain a favorable position, and you act like you've lost your parents just because it slightly checks and balances the US. What are you pretending to be, a rational and objective person for? Just keep speculating on your currency and shorting your oil, and stop talking nonsense and pretending to be impartial. This incident reveals your truly questionable character; you're just like those overseas traitors—unprincipled worship of power, and opportunistic.

original · zh

你屁股就是歪的!美国和以色列如何肆意轰炸他人国家挑起战争都是对的、杀害无辜平民都是可以的,都无需负责,美国第一天就炸死伊朗一百多名伊朗小学女生,这笔血债也不用偿还,它们连句道歉都没有。 伊朗利用自己的杠杆获取对自己有利的位置,稍微制衡一下美国你就如丧考妣,在那里装什么理中客?你就在那里炒你的币、空你的油就完了,少发议论装不偏不倚。从这件事上发现你的人品真不怎么样,跟海外反贼一个德行,慕强无底线,有奶就是娘。

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유정 @PQTonX · 20K D

@PhyrexNi Italy is hopeless, but the US is a problem too.

original · ja

@PhyrexNi 伊朗도 답이 없지, 근데 미국도 문제고

海豚老妹儿 | Dolphin Sisss. BTC🔸 @Dolphintry · 45K

@PhyrexNi Who fires the first shot and who turns public shipping lanes into "tollbooths" are two different things. Opposing the US instigating war does not equate to supporting either side using global trade and ordinary people's oil prices as bargaining chips. Great power rivalry is always described as strategic in the end, but when it comes down to us, it often just means that filling up a tank of gas costs a lot more.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 谁先开第一枪,和谁把公共航道变成“收费站”,是两回事。反对美国挑起战争,不等于支持任何一方拿全球贸易和普通人的油价当谈判筹码。大国博弈最后总说是战略,落到我们身上,往往就是加满一箱油又贵了多少。

新柔🌸 @BradleyRog8fqn ·

@PhyrexNi I'm so horny 😋🚶 Anyone want to give me a sharp critique of my luck?

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 我果然太涩了😋🚶有人想锐评一下我的福嘛

水葫芦 @shuiuulu · D

@PhyrexNi You're wrong again. What kind of logic is that? Iran is starving, the country is crippled, and has no money. The reason for charging is that Iran is starving, the country is crippled, and the points are there. That's correct. Previously, there was intentional development of the strait, but it wasn't based on that as a basis for a blockade. Then it developed into a situation where it was constantly attacked, but not completely blocked. Later, the distinction between allowing passage and not allowing passage was made between hostile and friendly countries. That's correct, right? And then, opening passage meant the outside was blocked by the US.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 你又不对了 什么逻辑 现在伊朗快饿死了 国家被打残 没钱 点位就是什么原因造成 收费是正确的 然后之前是有意开发海峡也没以这个为基础进行封锁 然后发展成一直被攻击又没全面封锁到后面可以通行不可以通行分对敌国家和友好国家 这个很正确吧 然后放开通行外面是美国封锁的

水葫芦 @shuiuulu · D

@PhyrexNi If everyone blocks Iran, then the US blocks the outside, and you're just spouting nonsense and refusing to acknowledge your servility.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 最后大家一起封锁 伊朗封锁里边 美国封锁外边 你就是胡说八道 还不承认 奴性

水葫芦 @shuiuulu · D

@PhyrexNi A typical example of someone who only knows how to take a beating and stand at attention, never to fight back. Whether I'm wrong or not, regardless of whether it's the US or other countries doing the same thing, and regardless of right or wrong, and regardless of which country is involved, we're not on any particular side. You're a typical example of someone who can't even distinguish right from wrong.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 典型的只许挨打立正 不许还手 我说的有没有错 不管是不是美国这样错 其它国家这样做也是一样 先不管对与错 也不管哪个国家与哪个国家 我们不站那个国家队伍 你就是典型代表烂 点位没分清楚

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老实人|美股·AI投资 @LaoshirenBTC · D

@PhyrexNi Don't test human nature when faced with interests; national interests are also decided by people.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 在利益面前,不要考验人性,国家利益也是由人做决定的

时清Slato🐅👣 @CoinSlato · 62K D

@PhyrexNi The whole world is paying for this!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 全球都在为这波买单啊

康婷🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @NoraMoraleybe ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 😞💦 I'm not as lucky as you think, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧😞💦我福不黑不信你看

Crypto Liam @CryptoLiam__ · B

@PhyrexNi Should Iran blockade and charge fees for the Strait of Hormuz? Obviously not, it's even illegal. But this method is more effective than bombing US military bases, and in a life-or-death situation with no other bargaining chips, anyone would do the same. The only pitiful ones are ordinary people around the world, who can't even drive their cars out. The culprit is still the US. If they can't make Iran disappear, they shouldn't mess with charlatans. These two countries' motto is "If I'm not doing well, nobody else should be doing well."

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 伊朗是否应该霍尔木兹海峡封锁并收费。显然不应该,甚至不合法。但是这方法比轰炸美军基地都有效,生死存亡时刻又没有其他筹码的情况下,换谁都会这么干。可怜的就是全世界平民老百姓,车都开不出去了。罪魁祸首还是美国,既然不能让伊朗消失,就不要招惹神棍。这两国家主打的就是我不好谁也别好。

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momosheep.base.eth @you1668888 ·

@PhyrexNi 非常認同倪大觀點,只可惜美國不敢登陸打伊朗⋯

Ngọc Phụng Bế @frook_ma ·

@PhyrexNi This shows that Trump didn't understand Machiavelli's *The Prince*, which forms the basis of his political science.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 说明川普政治学基础马基雅维利的君主论没读懂

YanSep @OrangeEd1t ·

@PhyrexNi So wars only result in a lose-lose situation. I hope for world peace! 🙏🙏🙏 Also, I'm very curious about how you make your images each time. Is it AI?

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 所以战争只有皆输的局面,希望世界和平吧!🙏🙏🙏另外,很好奇每次你的图是怎么做的,是AI么?

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忆香🌸 @EleanorGre0jy ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's having more fun than me 🦉🍯 I'm not being shady, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的更开了吧🦉🍯我福不黑不信你看

谭虹🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @HumanePandcv2 ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 🍂🍑 I'm not shady, you'll see.

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@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧🍂🍑我福不黑不信你看

区块链日记 | 买美股上WEEX @Steam_Diary123 · 48K D

@PhyrexNi That makes sense! Ordinary people have it so tough.

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@PhyrexNi 有道理!老百姓太难了

桑卡拉 @tsankara1221 ·

@PhyrexNi For Iran, this is one of the few means that can threaten or counterbalance the United States.

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@PhyrexNi 对于伊朗来说这是为数不多的可以威胁或制衡美国的手段。

抱一丨dothisbit @dothisbit ·

@PhyrexNi You gloss over America's war responsibility in a single sentence, then slam all the heaviest moral accusations onto Iran. I really find this narrative hard to agree with.

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@PhyrexNi 把美国的战争责任一句带过,然后把所有最重的道德词都砸在伊朗头上,这个叙事我真的很难认同

谭兰🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @FancyTurtl9j ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 🗯️🚙 I'm not shady, you'll see.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧🗯️🚙我福不黑不信你看

刘蓉🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @NearbyMank6 ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 😻🗯️ I'm not shameless, you'll see.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧😻🗯️我福不黑不信你看

冒烟 @moyn530644 ·

@PhyrexNi Does the US only stop charging Iran if they don't pay? Who demanded payment in the first place? Was it the US that forced them to? Were there charges originally? Why is the US acting this way? Don't you know? Isn't it all because of the current US debt?

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@PhyrexNi 伊朗不收费 美国就不收费了么?最开始谁先要收费的??是美国逼的吧? 原来收费么??美国为什么这样操作?你能不知道吗?不还是因为现在美债么!

飞风🌸 @AaronKellyp8mj ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's having more fun than me 🙉👏 I'm not being ripped off, just look!

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的更开了吧🙉👏我福不黑不信你看

吴曼🌸同城上门♥线下选妃 @HappyMolly6ieh ·

@PhyrexNi I bet nobody's more adventurous than me 💬☄️ I'm not shameless, you'll see.

original · zh

@PhyrexNi 应该没人比我玩的开了吧💬☄️我福不黑不信你看

李冬林 @MinShan48926 ·

@PhyrexNi In principle, China should unite with other countries to confront Iran. Unfortunately, the Chinese Communist Party is ruthless domestically but cowardly abroad. This is what a so-called great power is like. It dares not utter a word against a cult regime.

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@PhyrexNi 按道理,应该联合其他国家一直对峙伊朗,可惜中国共产党对内狠,对国外怂,这就是所谓的大国,对于神棍政权不敢吱声。

静蕾🌸 @TylerBennely ·

@PhyrexNi I'm so horny 🍞🚶 Anyone want to give a sharp critique of my luck?

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@PhyrexNi 我果然太涩了🍞🚶有人想锐评一下我的福嘛