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どうしても腑に落ちない プロ野球でノーアウト1塁 バントしない→得点期待値0.70 バント成功→得点期待値0.59 バント失敗→得点期待値0.42 と、統計で出てるのに日本のプロ野球は頑なにバントするのだろうか? アメリカのプロ野球ではバントはほぼやらなくなったのに 日本の選手あがりの監督達は監督としてはレベルが低過ぎるのためなのか? それとも監督がデバフをかけると球団の人気が上がるとかそういう文化があるのかな ちなみに1点取得率も増えてないのでマイナスしかないのになぜ? ヒットとホームランと打点を抑制して選手の年俸を低くするため??

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したぎ @shitagi_d ·

@cissan_9984 The early Rakuten team adopted a style of baseball where they didn't bunt because it had a low expected value, but for some reason it didn't yield results 🤔

original · ja

@cissan_9984 バントは期待値が低いのでやらない野球は初期の楽天が導入していたのですが、何故か結果出なかったです🤔

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陽気なクマ @EGFxoIKzoC74780 ·

@cissan_9984 Is it because the main factor is the psychological element for the pitcher in relation to scoring positions?

original · ja

@cissan_9984 スコアリングポジションに対するピッチャーへの心理的要素がメインだからとか?

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しゃろん @shalon315 · C

@cissan_9984 Maybe it's because they're used to high school baseball tournaments where one loss means immediate elimination? It's the same as having a mentality of taking profits quickly after taking a position, resulting in small gains and large losses.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 高校野球で一敗即退場のトーナメントに慣れてるからじゃね? ポジってもすぐ利確する利小損大メンタルと同じ

🌸てん_株式投資 @earlyfield2023 · 15K A

@cissan_9984 When looking at the probability of scoring a run (scoring probability), it seems that in NPB it is sometimes pointed out to be almost flat or increase only slightly. (Example: No outs, runner on first base: around 34.8% → 1 out, runner on second base: around 35.1%)

original · ja

@cissan_9984 1点を取る確率(得点確率)を見ると、NPBではほぼ横ばいかごくわずかに上がるケースが指摘されることがあるらしいです。 (例: 無死一塁34.8%前後→1死二塁35.1%前後)

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@cissan_9984 There might be a culture that prioritizes defense even at the expense of lowering expectations. As a result, overall growth seems to be suppressed. lin.ee/TUzpckW

original · ja

@cissan_9984 期待値を下げてまで守りを優先する文化があるのかもしれない。結果として全体の伸びが抑えられているように見える。 https://lin.ee/TUzpckW

サトウ/投資家 @kabustock_1 · D

@cissan_9984 I don't know which game you're referring to, but in the Central League, pitchers bat, so it might seem like there are more batters, right? Even so, it feels like there are fewer batters.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 どの試合見て言っとるか知らんけど、セはピッチャー打席立つし多く見えるんちゃう?にしても減った気はするけども

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名古屋剛勇投資🐧 @haiirousagi1010 ·

@cissan_9984 That's an interesting discussion from a baseball tactical perspective. When bunting, it's important to consider not only the expected value, but also the game situation, the batter's ability, and the defensive team's response. With the increasing use of data, Japanese baseball is also at a point where it needs to change from conventional wisdom.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 野球の戦術論として興味深い議論ですね。バントは期待値だけでなく、試合状況・打者能力・守備側の対応まで含めた判断が重要です。データ活用が進む中、日本野球も従来の常識から変化する局面に来ています。

かずおみ @YeYkcTGdNmXtJq9 ·

@cissan_9984 In Japan, the primary focus is always on having a runner on scoring position, i.e., second base. You're only looking at it through a fixed mindset.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 日本はとにかくスコアリングポジション、すなわちセカンドにランナーを置く事を主観としてますからね。 固定観念でしか見れて無いです。

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死ねと言われた一兵卒の岸田 @NIAGARA_GO_GO ·

@cissan_9984 Sushi-niki's success rate in positioning lately is about 0.5.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 最近のお寿司ニキのポジション成功率も0.5くらいだよ

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らむ@投資&一口馬主🐴 @ramu_investment ·

@cissan_9984 Lately, there are more cases in Japan where bunts aren't used, but I guess it depends on the batter and the batters behind them 🤔 In America, even the lower part of the batting order can hit for extra-base hits, so it's easy to score even without advancing the runners, but In Japan, you can't really expect extra-base hits from the lower part of the batting order, so it's often better to advance the runners to second base and hope for a run with a single! It depends on the situation!

original · ja

@cissan_9984 最近は日本もバントしないケースは増えてますが打者と後ろ次第ですかね🤔 アメリカは下位でも一発長打が打てるのでランナーを進めなくても得点は入りやすいですが、 日本は下位だとあまり長打は期待できないので2塁に進めて単打での得点を期待する方が良かったりします! ケースバイケースかと!

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ドライ @z_ehc2 ·

@cissan_9984 In this situation, bunting is a possibility, and the success rate will likely differ depending on whether it's a field where that's the consensus or not. It's a technique that works precisely because it catches the batter off guard. So, if it were done in the majors today, the success rate might be surprisingly high. I think the winning percentage will change depending on whether it's "expected" or not.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 この状況ではバントあるよね、がコンセンサスのフィールドとそうでないのでは成功率も違いそうですね。意表を突かれるからこそ効く手技なので。だから今のメジャーでやったら意外と成功率高いかも知れない。 「織り込み済み」か否かで勝率は変わると思います。

山田太郎 @TdqkiHBlYG3596 ·

@cissan_9984 It's because professional baseball is dominated by stupid, stubborn old fogeys. In that respect, MLB is much more flexible. 😇

original · ja

@cissan_9984 普通に頭が悪くて頭の固い老害がプロ野球を支配してるからやで。その点MLBはより柔軟に対応する😇

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@cissan_9984 For short-term trading, do you prioritize reading the order book or technical analysis? x.com/HardyEilee81156/status/2…

original · ja

@cissan_9984 短期は板読み重視ですか?テクニカル重視ですか https://x.com/HardyEilee81156/status/2089965021023420650?s=20

@cissan_9984 I learned about expected score for the first time 😅

original · ja

@cissan_9984 得点期待値なるものを初めて知りました😅

Terry💂🏻 @herotaka0923 ·

@cissan_9984 Power hitters don't do that. America has a lot of power hitters, so they don't do that. Also, Japanese managers tend to want to put runners in scoring position no matter what.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 強打者ならしない。アメリカは強打者が多いからしない。 あと日本の監督はとにかく得点圏にランナーを置きたがりがち

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あくじ・2台目三空 @akuji57031870 · B

@cissan_9984 In high school baseball, batting average seems to matter, but I wonder what it is in professional baseball.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 高校野球なら打率が関係してそうだけどプロはなんだろなぁ

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癒しがほしい癒し系 @yushigahos57168 ·

@cissan_9984 It's not just about the data.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 こればかりさデータ云々ではない

ピエロ @rod0607 ·

@cissan_9984 It's been getting a bit of a reassessment lately.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 最近は少し見直されて来てるよ

超ひろせ @hanchounokan456 ·

@cissan_9984 Winning 1-0 vs. Winning 10-0 vs. Winning if you have even one more run than your opponent at the end of the 9th inning, so you win if you have more runs than your opponent, so you have to consider not only the expected value but also the probability of scoring. In a game where you're winning 1-0 until the 8th inning, trying to score an unstable 3 runs in the 9th inning doesn't make much sense (closer is Kyuji Fujikawa) It's similar to whether you're a professional A-type or AT-type pachinko player It's not a competition based on the total run difference over the year

original · ja

@cissan_9984 1-0でも勝 10-0でも勝 9回終わった時に相手より1点でも多ければ勝ちというゲームだから期待値だけじゃなく得点確率も考慮。 8回まで1-0で勝ってる試合で9回に不安定な3点取り行っても余り意味ない(抑えは藤川球児) AタイプのパチプロかAT機のパチプロかに似てる 年間総得失点差の競技ではないので

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Weaver @abcdefg098 ·

@cissan_9984 You couldn't study, could you?

original · ja

@cissan_9984 君、勉強できなかったでしょ

JTCの女 @fern_kabu · B

@cissan_9984 Which one is it? x.com/fern_kabu/status/2091478…

original · ja

@cissan_9984 どっちなんだよ https://x.com/fern_kabu/status/2091478963457798244/photo/1

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たけし @qVg3ZGLV7N88187 ·

@cissan_9984 I think the main reason bunting remains is because it's a strategy that makes it difficult for the manager to be held accountable. If they go for a double play, it's easy to say, "Why didn't they bunt?" If they bunt and score no runs, it's easy to say, "They just couldn't get that one hit."

original · ja

@cissan_9984 バントが残る一番の理由は「監督が責任を問われにくい作戦」だからだと思います。 強攻して併殺→「なぜ送らない?」 バントして無得点→「あと一本が出なかった」 で済みやすい。

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@cissan_9984 In the Japanese market, it's still common to see people deliberately choosing low-expected-value strategies even though risk-free asset-focused investments offer high expected returns. lin.ee/QUjkIbE

original · ja

@cissan_9984 無リスク資産中心の運用で期待値が高いのに、わざわざ低期待値の手法を選ぶケースが日本市場ではまだ目立つ。 https://lin.ee/QUjkIbE

ぅぉぃ @JNw3w ·

@cissan_9984 Because if a run is scored after a bunt, the manager who gave the bunt order can feel good about himself. It's nothing more than the manager's self-indulgence.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 バントした後点が入ったらバント指示した監督が気持ちよくなれるからです。監督のオナニー以外の何物でもないです

田中けい @TANAKA_Kei · 27K

@cissan_9984 Statistics that ignore the fact that it changes depending on the batter's level.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 バッターのレベルによって変わってくるものを無視した統計

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@cissan_9984 Is it because there's a score difference that you can't catch up to unless you hit?

original · ja

@cissan_9984 打たないと追いつかない点数差があるから?

タコ @LHA_C_ELC21 ·

@cissan_9984 In professional baseball, it's meaningless because they don't compare whether the same batter bunts or hits. If the batter senses Jun, he won't be able to hit, so he'll bunt, and it's understandable that the expected value of a bunt isn't high. If the batter is in the upper part of the batting order, he won't bunt as much, but the expected value of scoring is high regardless of whether he bunts or not.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 プロ野球の場合は同じバッターがバントするか打つかで比較してないから意味ないです。 打者が嗅いだ淳なら打てないからバントするしバントしても期待値が高くないのも分かります、打者が上位打順ならあまりバントしませんが、そもそもバントしようがしまいが得点期待値自体が高いです。

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たかし @oU4s29XypA73933 ·

@cissan_9984 Suddenly baseball?

original · ja

@cissan_9984 急に野球?

秘書アカウント🔰 @LoanGietzrlvw ·

@cissan_9984 When looking at the probability of scoring a run (scoring probability), it seems that in NPB it is sometimes pointed out to be almost flat or increase only slightly. (Example: No outs, runner on first base: around 34.8% → 1 out, runner on second base: around 35.1%) x.com/HardyEilee81156/status/2…

original · ja

@cissan_9984 1点を取る確率(得点確率)を見ると、NPBではほぼ横ばいかごくわずかに上がるケースが指摘されることがあるらしいです。 (例: 無死一塁34.8%前後→1死二塁35.1%前後)https://x.com/HardyEilee81156/status/2089965021023420650?s=20

👾yossy👾🎖 文禍伝雷両日 @yosshy_ztmy · D

@cissan_9984 I don't think there's any benefit to it, but I'd like cis to try his hand at pachinko in this day and age.

original · ja

@cissan_9984 なんのメリットも無いと思いますが, cisさんに今の時代のパチスロで立ち回って欲しいです

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🌸てん_株式投資 @earlyfield2023 · 15K A

@gleen_pouch @cissan_9984 Basically, that seems to be the case!

original · ja

@gleen_pouch @cissan_9984 基本的には、そのようです!

KKK @urara496 ·

@washizu5890 @IWWpNetMh555091 @cissan_9984 You've either never played sports, or you've only played sports at a low level, lol Don't teach kids such wrong things, lol

original · ja

@washizu5890 @IWWpNetMh555091 @cissan_9984 スポーツやった事ないか、頭悪いレベルのスポーツしかやった事ないんだな笑 子供にそんな間違った事教えるなよ笑

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