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I have a different opinion on this order against the two entities supposedly involved in the cas auction manipulation. The outrage seems to be about this: Placed buy orders at highest possible point or sell at lowest possible point (3% higher or lower) and that is bad Because of that the cas equilibrium price spiked They cancelled those orders They benefited from options positions in the index My opinion is on the first two, as I'm not sure how established the others are without their defense. In the cas it is only sensible to place limit buy orders as high as you can or sell as low as you can. Watch the cas today also, you will find that most orders and quantities are people buying at obscenely high prices or selling at obscenely low. This is how it should be. Those are limit orders and are designed be executed only at the equilibrium price not at the obscene price. Now te reason is simple. It's the way orders are filled in the cas. Every buy order at the highest price is obviously also a buy order at any price below that. When they match orders, after market buy and sell orders cancel each other out, the remaining orders are like that. Lowest price sell orders will be matched against the highest price buy orders. Once that's done the next set are matched and so on. To have buy orders at the highest possible price means you're first in the queue after market.orders, but you get the equilibrium price. The equilibrium price is determined somewhere in the middle by relatively smaller players who place orders, but because of the skew or orders at the extreme ends of the order book it is possible they don't get any fills. That's ok and a teething problem The regulator might want to tone down the accusation that placing buy orders 3% above ref price is bad. No, it's the only way to try and guarantee execution. Cancellations are not good after a point...hong kong disallows cancellations in the last few minutes and we should too. The rest we should wait for a final order. (Podcast on cas coming soon!)

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SEBI has passed an Ex-Parte Interim Order in the matter of manipulative trades during CAS on SENSEX expiry at BSE- August 13, 2026. Details at: https://www.sebi.gov.in/enforcement/orders/aug-2026/ex-parte-interim-order-in-the-matter-of-manipulative-trades-during-cas-on-sensex-expiry-at-bse-august-13-2026_103778.html #SEBI https://x.com/SEBI_updates/status/2090123118350397463/photo/1

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niftyoptiontrader @niftyoptiontra1 ·

@deepakshenoy in Simple words , SEBI approved manipulation

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Khem Raj @Raj11_Speaks ·

@deepakshenoy They'll eventually win this court of law. SEBI just punished them on public outrage.

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Senthil babu (SEBI RA) @npsbabu ·

@deepakshenoy This is the same case in PRE open also. This is the only reason stocks go into circuits. if this is quoted as wrong doing, how can a price be discovered. In order to reduce volatility they can reduce the difference to 2% instead of 3%.

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Parijat Garg @84pg ·

@deepakshenoy The same would true for the opening auction as well, no? I mean, no cancels after a certain point and then execution at a random moment after 9:07... or am I completely mistaken?

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$unn¥ A¤a₹wal @sunnyag · D

@deepakshenoy It’s better regulator should consider disallowing cancellations or lower modifications in price/qty in last 5 minutes rather then current practice which do not allow mkt order cancellation after 3:26

Tweetractatus @rosharma08 ·

@deepakshenoy Hit the nail on the head. “Every buy order at the highest price is obviously also a buy order at any price below that. And guarantees execution at the equilibrium price. “

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Ajay Rotti @ajayrotti · 18K

@deepakshenoy Waiting for the podcast!

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Rajat @Rajatsethia3 ·

@deepakshenoy If guranteed execution is required, why not place market orders

Binod tulshyan @tulshyan_binod ·

@deepakshenoy If they had international to execute they why delete ? And why didn’t they place in nse which has a higher liquidity

Robin_GT @RobinGT_Real · C

@deepakshenoy Well put.

Dharma Patel @CooolDharma ·

@deepakshenoy Market orders also get executed at the equilibrium price only, but does not contribute towards determination of the same - right? I believe within CAS limit orders cancellation should be within much stricter window only.

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Mickey Not The Mouse @churiwalvikram ·

@deepakshenoy To make the CAS system actually work SEBI should keep 3 PM as final cut off time for last trade in Options & settlement should happen at CAS closing price. @nsitharaman I have asked it many times hire industry experts not degree holders idiots to make rules.

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Parijat Garg @84pg ·

@deepakshenoy Understood on the reason more people care about this. But from a mechanics standpoint...

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 293K A

@84pg To be honest I haven't seen that much of the open auction. Since fno isn't pegged to it, I imagine volumes will be way below the closing auction so it might not be conparable

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