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Good update. I'm more in favour of keeping the ecosystem flexible on mdr with flat fees for large transactions, but here is another thought: Make neft/rtgs/imps accept qr driven. Every bank app should read a qr format that automatically launches their transfer money part (after login) which allows instant transfers through imps or the rtgs or NEFT modes, which typically needs an otp to complete. Banks must show the charges applicable to the customer if any. Merchants can display this alongside their upi qr codes. This is always free for the merchant and they can even charge lower for direct account payments. Upi actually has an address format for direct account transfers, they could reuse that. Then yes mdr on upi is ok for large transactions, since there is an easy payment mode for the large ones outside upi and provides competition (and even utilities , schools etc can give a free payment mode to people)

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There has been considerable discussion around UPI and merchant charges. Here are the facts behind the conversation what it means for consumers, merchants, and India's digital payment ecosystem. 1. Will I have to pay to use UPI? No. UPI has always been free for consumers since its launch in 2016. Every Indian can continue making instant digital payments without paying any transaction charges. 2. Will small shopkeepers or kirana stores be charged for accepting UPI? No. Small merchants are not required to pay any charges (MDR) to accept UPI payments. UPI was designed to make digital payments accessible for even the smallest businesses across India, and protecting small merchants remains central to the ecosystem's inclusive growth. 3. Why is there a discussion around UPI charges now? UPI has evolved from a new payment platform into the world's largest real-time payment system. As the ecosystem continues to expand, discussions are taking place on how to sustainably support the infrastructure that enables billions of secure transactions every month, while continuing to ensure that consumers and small merchants remain protected. 4. Who built and continues to invest in UPI? For nearly 10 years, banks, payment companies, fintechs, NPCI and RBI have collectively invested in technology, cybersecurity, fraud prevention, innovation and customer support to build one of the safest and most reliable payment systems in the world. These investments continue every day to keep UPI secure, resilient and available 24×7. 5. If UPI is free, who bears the cost of operating it? Operating a national payment infrastructure involves continuous investment in technology, fraud prevention, cybersecurity, compliance, customer support and innovation. These costs are currently borne by ecosystem participants including banks and payment service providers who continue to invest so consumers can enjoy a safe, secure and seamless payment experience. 6. Would consumers have to pay if large merchants pay for payment acceptance? No. Merchant service charges, where applicable, are commercial arrangements between merchants and payment service providers. They do not mean that consumers pay to use digital payments. Across the world, merchant service charges are a standard feature of digital payment ecosystems, while consumers continue to enjoy convenient and secure digital payment experiences. 7. Why is sustaining the UPI ecosystem important? UPI has become critical national digital infrastructure used by hundreds of millions of Indians every day. As transaction volumes continue to grow, sustained investment in security, resilience, innovation, fraud prevention and infrastructure will remain essential to ensure that UPI continues to serve consumers and businesses reliably for years to come. @FinMinIndia @DFS_India @nsitharamanoffc

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VPatel @vihar2004 ·

@deepakshenoy UPI is so addictive that people may happily pay the extra MDR for small transaction. Or merchants will push cash. Or simply hike prices to cover it. Convenience wins either way.

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$unn¥ A¤a₹wal @sunnyag ·

@deepakshenoy Just tell me MDR for transfer of funds to mutual funds and stock broker ( whose commission income might be zero if no trading take place and had to return the money as per sebi guidelines) any way brokerage are flat fee chances of MDR will be higher then brokerage income

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Rupesh Patil @Patil_Rupesh_S ·

@deepakshenoy Very Good Option NEFT / IMPS with QR code will create a good competition for UPI.

R. Balakrishnan @BalakrishnanR · 44K

@deepakshenoy Next step they will list it. Chase earnings. Push costs for consumers. Let it remain unlisted. Banks and NBFC plus the tax departments should pay because they benefit . As a consumer, i am indifferent to using cash or upi

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Vishal Bindal @VishalB52162963 ·

@deepakshenoy STT is charged to exchanges then why it's charged to Traders/ Investors. It has to be beard by exchanges itself.

mahesh @mahesh39749522 ·

@deepakshenoy why not use digital rupee , instead of posting too long post

Monica Jasuja @jasuja · 23K

@deepakshenoy merchants->direct account payments, are you referring to P2P2M transactions for smaller merchants?

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CrashStrike 🐦🇮🇳 @crash_strike ·

@deepakshenoy that will eventually kill one of few things we achieved as a country...

Arjun Rodrigues @ajfrod ·

@deepakshenoy Imps is charged, neft and rtgs are free

Chutney Boy @TheChutneyBoy ·

@deepakshenoy You think the cost of NEFT infra at UPI scale will remain same? Whether you send Rs 1 or 10 lakh, the cost of doing that is the same. The bulk of UPI transactions are inherently low amounts; nobody is sending 10 lakh by UPI. There may not be an easy way out but to eat the costs

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Kreate @risklenapadega ·

@deepakshenoy So you won't agree that India is giving into US pressure. Fine.

Casandra @IamMo92 ·

@deepakshenoy It’s the same gov that spends ₹200000 crore annually on freebie schemes. Yet a digital public good like UPI, costing 1-2% of that, can’t be made free? The reason isn’t money. It’s intent. BJP’s intent has always been to make life hell for citizens and small businesses.

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Shubh @MyOneRupee ·

@deepakshenoy Problem is, define large amount. Is a family buying 4 bus tickets for 3000 a large amount or is a person paying 3000 for a single buffet breakfast large amount? Need to understand the scenarios and who all can get affected by "large" amount.

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Monica Jasuja @jasuja · 23K

Everything by default always goes into the merchant account for all payments, the processor/PG (read intermediary fees) is deducted depending on the size of the merchant. Not clear how a direct-to-merchant payment (which all of these are) should attract no fees (wondering if you;re thinking about ecommerce vs pos payments?)

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 292K

NEFT that is online has no fees for payers, from a 2019 directive. Incoming for merchants has zero fees so the merchant need not ever pay. A simply qr based bank transfer will allow merchants to receive fees at zero cost. Payers might pay if imps or in some cases rtgs l, NEFT is free for them if online.

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guyfromvalley🏕🏔⛷ @vineetkaul ·

NEFT and RTGS follow a different rail. Those are primarily known party transactions for higher limits. Requires much higher intent, which compensates for greater friction of adding an account, cool off period etc etc. That can’t use the UPI rail and neither will that make sense for daily transactions of smaller denominations. MDR on UPI opposition is opposing just for the heck of it. MDR, the way it is proposed, should roll out and should be adequately explained to the merchant community, instead of fear mongering.

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 292K

@vineetkaul @jasuja The account number plus ifsc is on upi even now (it's in the upi spec) There is no higher intent in account number based trx if not manually entered. A qr code eliminates typing mistakes, and the transactions can be done on one time basis too (most banks allow this)

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Chutney Boy @TheChutneyBoy ·

@deepakshenoy If large transactions which are fewer anyway in UPI are to be nudged towards NEFT, then you come back to MDR for all small/med transactions no? Merchants picking up the tab and thereby passing it to consumers indirectly is the most practical way. Most countries do it this way.

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 292K

@TheChutneyBoy Most large merchants are happy with MDR on cards - they won't nudge towards NEFT. The few who charge extra for MDRed transactions - electricity, school, building maintenance etc - they will nudge, and they are relatively small. Still win-win. India does what's good for it.

guyfromvalley🏕🏔⛷ @vineetkaul ·

Has to be manually entered once at least (screen shot), goes against the UPI seamless flow. Even if one does that, will continue to have a transaction value limit (safety), which goes against the NEFT/RTGS flow (because with RTGS you can do very large transactions) What you are saying is that a consumer scans a QR, punches in the value or the QR self generated the value and then on the payment gateway screen, the consumer gets to see CC/DC/UPI and also is given NEFT and RTGS as an option to proceed. If a user there selects NEFT as an option because they want to save say 30bps on a Rs 5000 transaction (Rs 15), they will chose NEFT.

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 292K

@vineetkaul @jasuja School fees are a few lakhs per year. Electricity, maintenance etc also are large enough that 30bps matters. A qr based flow would simply make the numbers pre entered, and can follow the regular flow of NEFT or rtgs (cool off periods for larger amounts etc)

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