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Sadly, annuity returns are lousy. The 40 year government bond (super safe from credit defaults) is trading at 7.56%. Essentialy, if you took money out and put it into the 40 year bond, you will receive a payout of 7.56% per year and the principal back after 40 years, while being liquid through this time. Returns are taxable but so are annuities (annuity payments are taxable income)

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NPS Annuity Rates are pretty high if you opt for annuity without return of purchase price at a late age. Works well if your heirs are ok to live without the corpus or you have no close heirs (usually, children). Story by @VedantVichare99 https://thefynprint.com/4GHq2O5Mz https://x.com/ActusDei/status/2085229378213126635/photo/1

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Sivaram Pandariganthan @SivaramPg ·

@deepakshenoy Are annuity rates locked in on purchase or are they floating? If so 40 year bond might be a better option! Are there any catches ?

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PriyankDhingra @priyankdhingra1 ·

@deepakshenoy This is the whole insurance industry's business model in one tweet. Wrap a mediocre bond in "guaranteed income for life" narrative and Indians will pay anything.

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Mahesh @Figuringout441 ·

@deepakshenoy Deepak sir, you've been educating investors on this topic for nearly 20 years, yet many people continue to buy annuities. premium.capitalmind.in/2010/01…

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Sunil J @Sunilj22 ·

@deepakshenoy After purchasing the long-dated GSEC, one must not check the value of other holdings too often; otherwise, there will be painful years where MTM loss will be severe. One must make an informed decision about the entire journey.

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Harsh @harsh_jazz98 ·

@deepakshenoy Overall NPS is decent.

Expose Corrupt Indian Laws @thischeena ·

@deepakshenoy why annuities r low? wat etc risk they take with respect to bonds

Anupam Gupta @b50 · 69K

@deepakshenoy His example for HDFC Life shows 9% to 16% depending on age!

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6mor nine9 @6mor9 ·

@deepakshenoy and inflation ?

ARCHITRACTOR @arsaifhasan ·

@deepakshenoy @grok explain it in simple words

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Amil Shah @amil264 ·

@deepakshenoy From NPS, forced annuity.. so take it or leave it. At 80, if immediate returns matter to me, happy with 15%, leaving the principal to annuity provider. At 60, will take 40 yr Gsec leaving something for kin IRR might be similar in both

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RetirementYatra.com @RetirementYatra ·

@deepakshenoy Do you do laddering? I was asking my RM and he did not understand that. Do you think using STRIPS would be a good way to create an Income floor (Inflation adjusted at say 6%) for 40 years?

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Avinash @avinash_a ·

@deepakshenoy The only thing they are doing is helping you prevent acting against yourself For people without discipline They are a lot of people with this issue

Bala Aramvalarthaan @aram_bala ·

@deepakshenoy I have been telling this.. why don’t you start a business on annuity - seriously! Not joking at all!!

Dilip @dilipshahani ·

@deepakshenoy Spot On...Concurs with my views below the same tweet. NPS is a sleeping tiger, if the compulsion to purchase annuity is removed & annuity payout arising specifically from NPS are made taxfree then our NPS can perhaps become one of the top 10 pension funds of the world.

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Vishal Singh Jain @VishhalSJain ·

@deepakshenoy I like ‘ super safe ’

Kaushik Mukherjee @Kaushik59875431 ·

@deepakshenoy The money would be locked in. The issue is bond market liquidity as retail investor. Annuity is an option, but that mean you have enough corpus to play during emergency/unplanned expenses

finkrishna @finkrishna ·

@deepakshenoy Seriously bad products are being pushed on the old as annuity. This is bad insurance selling redux. Its commission structure will tell full story Wonder why MFs don’t design a simple SWP as annuity

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Roshan Kumar(CWM®) @roshan3573 ·

@deepakshenoy Sir koi 100 yrs ka bond hai?

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Prasad @Prasad57034128 ·

@deepakshenoy I am not expert. Do you suggest nps for long term who have less financial knowledge?

Jayesh Mehta @Jayeshjdmehta ·

@deepakshenoy Completely agree i like this 40 year bond

Ashutosh @ashutosh283 ·

@deepakshenoy Annuity and eps gives less returns and eps eats u r principal

Navin @NavinVeragi ·

@deepakshenoy My gilts portfolio serves the annuity job. Can't put everything in long term due to inflation risk so the return is bit lower. But the real reason to do it is the ability to pledge the bonds for margin and trade against it to generate two income streams from the same asset.

Souvik Ghosh @SouvikG1982 ·

@deepakshenoy Annuities serve very little purpose as an investment vehicle.

Rohit XYZ @Rohit_BLR ·

@deepakshenoy I think only the without ROP option is worth considering, to reduce longevity risk (exhausting retirement corpus while still alive). If you live much longer than average, it will turn out beneficial.

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Sivaram Pandariganthan @SivaramPg ·

@deepakshenoy The main friction point is how does a common man enrolled in NPS buy 40 year treasury bonds.

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Deepak Shenoy @deepakshenoy · 292K

@SivaramPg Rbi retail direct.. now most brokers will offer you tonbuynin auctions every month

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RetirementYatra.com @RetirementYatra ·

@deepakshenoy Reinvestment Risk? You will earn way more coupon than Withdrawal Rate in the initial years. That needs reinvestment and the rates may change over years. That's why STRIPS. Any other solution? I really want to lock 7.5% before Yen and Pound and USD 30yr yield curves dip.

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Muthu Krishnan V @muthukrishnanv ·

@RetirementYatra @deepakshenoy why not 6.90 GOI 2065?

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RetirementYatra.com @RetirementYatra ·

@muthukrishnanv @deepakshenoy Depends on your investment horizon. I'm thinking only from a retiree's perspective therefore locking in highest available yield for the longest available horizon to provide me an Income floor. You may have a different use case in mind.

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