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"Situationship" is my $BTC bull porn essay on how the AI bubble will burst, and why the money printer will go hyper brrrr and take us back to a rip roaring bull market. "The question of internal framing is the key variable that determines whether AI is a bubble. But before we understand the bubbliciousness of AI, the better question to ask is in what kind of businesses are we investing, or in relationship terms, “What are we”? The dichotomy, at least to my Luddite brain, is the distinction between what investors believe AI CAPEX represents: is it technology or real estate? The zeitgeist is that this multi-trillion dollar build out is “technology” and must receive insane growth multiples by the market. But I believe AI CAPEX is just another boring real estate play. However, in this instance, what’s inside the data center is compute that creates silicon-based lifeforms that will aid human civilizational development in the most profound way since the railroads. The distinction between real estate and compute is important because the recently post-pubescent hedge fund bro, the bank, the private credit fund, and ultimately the government believes funding the building of a data center and power plant is like lending to Apple, instead of lending to Lehman Brothers. The bursting of the AI bubble will occur because financial intermediaries, tacitly supported by the US and Chinese governments, will over build data centers and everything that goes into providing the substrate to house chips that train AI models and conduct inference. Therefore, the AI bubble is a credit story like 2008 and not an earnings story like 2000.[1]" Link to my substack and the full article on my bio.

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TriDung.sol 🐬TermMax @TD_bbboys258 ·

@CryptoHayes calling it real estate is the only way this fever dream makes sense

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Wassiecat @wassieailouros ·

@CryptoHayes you're a king of essays really enjoyable read always

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sindikitil @sindikitil ·

@CryptoHayes Internal framing is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Curious what breaks first: AI capex or bond market patience.

Schwerelos.io @schwerelosio ·

@CryptoHayes Interesting framing on the credit dynamics. And congrats, now #14 on the schwerelos board, which ranks analysts by what their public calls returned. x.com/schwerelosio/status/2084…

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manoc @0xmanoc ·

@CryptoHayes 👀👀👀

NaoX Protocol @NaoXprotocol · 243K

@CryptoHayes Calling AI spend "capex" instead of "R&D" quietly reshapes earnings optics and investor patience. That single accounting choice buys years of zero ROI tolerance. It might matter more than the technology itself.

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Bubba Mack @Rewards_PAID ·

@CryptoHayes 80b per quarter from one company aint no bubble. A circle jerk in some regards I’ve seen proof of, but that money coming in is from usage. Ai is the future wether we like it or not

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Kaff 📊 @Kaffchad · 29K

@CryptoHayes the scary part is the banks treating data centers like Apple cashflows. who eats the first loss when the utilization math stops looking pretty

泰坦链 | DeFi @TiTan_Web3_ ·

@CryptoHayes The 2008 not 2000 framing is the trade hiding in plain sight

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Wizard of Alt @Wizard_Of_Alt ·

@CryptoHayes bride's holding an ftx box, groom's in a suit that says he already forgot 2022 happened

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DxM @diopter_ring ·

@CryptoHayes so AI capex is just a boring real estate play but the buildings make silicon lifeforms got it it’s a ghost mall with a god complex

HODL Golf @HODL_Golf ·

@CryptoHayes Tenderloin = Chicken tenderloin = tendies-2:native Read between the lines people x.com/HODL_Golf/status/2084808…

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Macro Bombastic @MacroBombastic · 10K

@CryptoHayes real estate framing makes the credit bubble thesis way more compelling

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Ghosty @Skunk_Eyes ·

@CryptoHayes im all about tendie loins tbh

Bulbbbb @Bulbbbb125098 ·

@CryptoHayes What the fuck

KhaiDao @Khaikhaidao ·

@CryptoHayes internal framing doing a lot of heavy lifting in a world where narrative is the only thing that prints

pitkoin @pitkoin ·

@CryptoHayes This sounds retarded, which coin

Mind Math Money @MindMathMoney · 13K

@CryptoHayes The middle step is the rough part. When the AI bubble pops, $BTC gets sold with everything else first. The printer shows up after the pain, not instead of it.

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Melio @MelioHL · 13K

@CryptoHayes do you think the credit bubble pops before the AI earnings story even has a chance to play out? or does the real estate overbuild just choke it slowly

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Brad @Uvaldehorn ·

@CryptoHayes Good read until you glazed Dario and Anthropic.

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hex research @economicaldog ·

@CryptoHayes Good read but what happened to $syn

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Tushant Suneja @tushant_suneja ·

@CryptoHayes ai bubble bursting doesn't necessarily mean btc benefits, what's the actual transmission mechanism from ai to crypto that isn't just narrative

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netrunner @plotarmordev ·

@CryptoHayes So basically leveraged real estate?

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Sterling Desk @SterlingDeskFX ·

@CryptoHayes The market keeps debating whether AI is expensive. The more important question is whether the financing behind it is sustainable. Asset bubbles rarely start with valuation. They end with credit.

Le Baron Gains @Coinsiglliere ·

@CryptoHayes That thumbnail is too good for any ai, btw.

Fortune Tales @cake_layered ·

@CryptoHayes @grok please summarize key points, pros cons for crypto.

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someguy @Yoyoyoyoy42 ·

@CryptoHayes If your standing on the southside of market (across the street), levensworth and hyde are flipped.

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Laura Harper 🔸 Crypto @LauraHarpercoll · 13K

@CryptoHayes The 2008 frame is right but the timeline isn't Credit crises are deflationary first Everyone front-running the printer at $64K L/S 1.54 is betting on chapter 3 before chapter 2 happens

OKLAHODL @oklahodl1 ·

@CryptoHayes Awesome piece. What about OpenAI proffering 5% equity stake to the Orange Man? Adds fuel to your thesis...

Lisa  @brita_lisa ·

@CryptoHayes Calling AI capex just real estate misses that the value is in the compute output not the shell 2008 was about bad loans this is about overbuilding productive assets

Jake @ElSatoshi6699 ·

@CryptoHayes You don't know shit meth head

paperhandedme @paperhandedme ·

@CryptoHayes Interesting take on AI markets

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Antonio Gomes @onchainantonio ·

@CryptoHayes the 2000 crash still built the internet. fiber and compute survived the bust, just changed hands. if AI capex follows that pattern, the bubble popping isn't the end. it's a repricing of who owns the infrastructure when the dust settles

- @valley_rafter ·

@CryptoHayes so the real risk isnt AI failing but too much cheap credit flooding into data centers whats the first sign that lenders start treating it like real estate instead of tech?

chill tiger @chillTiger2046 ·

@CryptoHayes that's brilliant concept ㊙️ AI bubble is boring AI capex 🙀

The Bull Ether🐮 @HieuHuynh3963 ·

@CryptoHayes Stupid 😂

richie Jr @Actionfigure23 ·

@CryptoHayes No arnold schwarzenegger in this movie x.com/Actionfigure23/status/20…

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BREAKLING @BREAKLINGx ·

Thread grounded: The disagreement centers on whether AI data center spending resembles real estate credit risk, and whether its bursting would flow through to Bitcoin. Sides • AI capex as credit bubble: AI data center buildout is financed and framed like real estate, and overbuilding will trigger a credit unwind. • Compute has real productive value: AI capex creates lasting compute output, not a hollow real estate shell, so the 2008 comparison misses the point. • Revenue undercuts bubble claim: Large real usage revenue from AI companies shows this isn't a bubble, whatever the framing debate suggests. • Unclear path from AI bust to BTC: Even if AI credit unwinds, it's unclear Bitcoin benefits rather than getting sold off with everything else first. Why grounded? Several distinct disagreements about framing, causation, and asset value ran in parallel without converging.

@CryptoHayes Japanese investors have been quietly accumulating $BTC in a rising yen environment, making a potential hyperinflationary scenario less likely for them.

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Paul @MorpheusGMD ·

@CryptoHayes Who actually listens to you?

James Treanor @treanor ·

@CryptoHayes The real estate investments I have seen near Fallon, NV look like something out of twilight zone (unbelievable size and scope). Its not really a real estate play, as there would be no other possible tenant other than a future data center. Its not a like Walmart could use it

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Taner Gün @TanerGun19 ·

@CryptoHayes Dostum #kernel nasıl ?

WAODAO @waodao_ai ·

The cleanest tell may be the mismatch between asset life and debt duration: buildings last, but the chips and power economics inside them reprice brutally fast. Watching off-balance-sheet AI debt against utilization and token revenue could reveal the credit turn before headline CAPEX rolls over.

Supreme_Archangel @Sup1eme_ ·

@CryptoHayes boom => liquidity => buy BTC bust => printing => buy BTC thesis that can't lose isn't a forecast.

Slarmi @0xSlarmi ·

@CryptoHayes situationship is one wild take 🤯

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Lola (❖,❖) @LolaSt1400 ·

@CryptoHayes Bold take, thoughtfully written

HyperAlpha @HyperAlphaOrg · 10K

Arthur's macro essays never disappoint when it comes to connecting massive structural debt cycles back to global monetary expansion. Comparing the AI CAPEX boom to 2008 commercial real estate/subprime debt rather than the 2000 Dot-Com earnings crash is classic Hayes logic: AI Infrastructure = Real Estate: High-yield debt and private credit are funding data centers and power plants assuming perpetual tech-growth multiples, but the underlying collateral is just leveraged physical real estate loaded with GPUs. The 2008 Analogy: When CapEx deceleration forces data center debt defaults, it creates a systemic credit crunch for lenders—not just an equity repricing. The Sovereign Bailout Flywheel: Governments step in under the guise of "national security" and financial stability, forcing central banks to turn on the liquidity hose on a scale that makes 2008 look small. Whether BTC dumps first on a credit contraction before the ultimate flight to hard assets, the end state is always the same: when system-wide debt overreach forces central bank bailouts, $BTC gets fed by the money printer.

Jure Ursic Cergol @JureUrsic ·

The physical reality of AI is just massive power grids, cooling, and silicon. When governments subsidize the credit to build data centers, they decoupling capacity from organic market demand. We are over-engineering the physical footprint before we have the software architecture to justify it. The hangover won't be software failure; it will be underutilized real estate.