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包衣后裔标准操作:先说不清旗份,再往多尔衮身上贴 吴京早些年反复提的「旗人身份」,用他自己的原话就能把人设拆穿。以下按时间线核实。 1. 旗份前后矛盾 1998年出道《太极宗师》时,媒体介绍他是「正黄旗的满族人,出生在京城的一个武术世家」。 2010年他又改口:「我觉得我们应该是正白旗。」 2015年凤凰卫视《非常道》采访中,他科普八旗:「正黄旗是第一层,‘正三旗’(正蓝/正红/正白)是第二层,其余‘镶四旗’是第三层。」 真实制度是上三旗(镶黄、正白、正黄,皇帝亲领,以镶黄最高),下五旗。他生造「正三旗」「镶四旗」,并把镶黄旗贬到最底层,说明对八旗基本常识并不清楚。真正上三旗后人很少会把旗制说成这样。 2. 「我们是多尔衮那支的」 2010年原话:「我大爷跟我说,我们是多尔衮那支的,但我觉得我们应该是正白旗。」 史实:多尔衮无亲生儿子,仅有一女东莪(早夭或和亲,无后)。他临终前过继同母弟多铎之子多尔博。顺治清算后,正白旗收归上三旗,多铎一系(含多尔博)被贬入正蓝旗。即便乾隆追谥多尔衮「睿忠亲王」,其后人仍留在正蓝旗。 正白旗、多尔衮后人与他无关。这是典型的旗人长辈往皇族身上贴金。 3. 「家里出过武状元,最大官做到御林军统领」 2006年《经济日报》采访:家族出过武状元,被雍正赐姓「吴」,满洲老姓不清楚。 2010年再次提到武状元做到御林军统领。 2015年宣传《战狼1》时说:「我们家里出过几个武状元,以前也做过御林军统领。家里有块匾叫‘武魁’,咸丰皇帝给的。」 核实:清代武状元约109人,满洲八旗仅极少数(已知如正黄旗昌伊苏、正红旗波启善等),正白旗无满洲武状元。姓吴的武状元均为汉人。御林军统领(禁卫高层)更非普通旗人轻易能任。 一个真正出过武状元、做到禁卫统领的家族,不会连祖上旗份和是否多尔衮后人都说不清。 4. 「被雍正赐姓吴,满洲老姓不清楚」 2006年《经济日报》原话。自己承认老姓不清楚,等于家里早就断谱。真正的满洲大姓后人,很少会把自己原姓忘得这么干净。 5. 武术与「武魁」匾 2010年提到祖父学过吴氏太极拳,父亲会螳螂拳和九节鞭。 吴式太极拳宗师乌拉那拉·鉴泉一支谱系清晰,他只说「学过」,无具体传承。京城普通旗人、包衣或汉军旗下习武并不罕见。咸丰「武魁」匾目前仅有口述,无档案或实物公开。 综合来看: 吴京祖上最可能是京城包衣旗下(或汉军旗)的吴姓人家,长期当差、满化较深。从1998年到2015年,说法越来越满、越来越往上贴,最终只剩下「我们是旗人、以前很厉害」。

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角木蛟 @jiaumujiau ·

@alinluckydog consciously align yourself with the Party flag

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@alinluckydog 自觉向党旗靠齐

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박선달 | Park Sundal @parksundal0528 ·

@alinluckydog He's the actor famous for *Wolf Warrior*. I enjoyed reading your post (Gemini read it for me lol). There are cases in Korea where people boast about being of noble lineage, too. But if this actor emphasizes that he comes from a prestigious Manchu family, I don't think Han Chinese people would like it that much. What do you think?

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@alinluckydog 전랑으로 유명한 배우네요 글 재밌게 읽었습니다 (제미나이가 읽어줬어요 ㅋㅋㅋ) 한국에도 자신이 양반출신이다 자랑하는 경우가 있죠. 근데 이 배우가 만주족의 명문가인걸 내세우면 한족출신 중국인들은 그다지 좋아하지 않을 것 같은데 어떤가요?

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Ikutatsu Moroboshi @IkutatsuMoro25 ·

@alinluckydog No wonder he got his box unboxed 🎁🤣🤣🤣!

original · zh

@alinluckydog 难怪他会被开盒🎁🤣🤣🤣!

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Николай @Nikolaj867249 ·

@alinluckydog Indeed, of the Chen, Yang, Wu, Sun, and Wu figures, only the Wu family representative is from a minority group, specifically the Manchu. Wu Jianquan and his son Wu Quanyou. It's definitely not related to Wu Jing's family. There's also Wu Tunan, who is Mongolian. His family has even less to do with him.

original · zh

@alinluckydog 确实,陈杨吴孙武,只有吴式代表人物是少数民族,满族。吴鉴泉,吴全佑父子。肯定是没吴京家啥事儿。还有个吴图南,那是一蒙古族。和他家更没关系。

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风过青云 @uboat10223 ·

@alinluckydog Wu hasn't read many books and has a low level of education, so it's normal for him to like currying favor with the powerful and wealthy.

original · zh

@alinluckydog 吴没读过多少书,文化水平比较低,喜欢攀龙附凤很正常

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很好我 @ziyngj1 ·

@alinluckydog His personality and appearance are very Northeastern; it's rare to find someone from the inland North or South with such a refined, upright, and masculine yet slightly immature temperament.

original · zh

@alinluckydog 他的性格和长相就是挺东北的,内陆北方和南方 很难长出这么 清秀 端正 又 爷们正值中二 的气质

很好我 @ziyngj1 ·

@alinluckydog I personally think he should be Ulanara, he has a very old Qing Dynasty feel, with a bit of Buryat flavor. He said he was Dorgon's sister because Dorgon's mother was Ulanara.

original · zh

@alinluckydog 个人觉得他应该是乌拉那拉,很老清朝的感觉,混有一点布里亚特的味儿,他说他是多尔衮那一只,是因为多尔衮母亲就是乌拉那拉

glxydz @hyde22653 ·

@alinluckydog is your mother's true green flag, a true green flag with a green head, green face, and green hat.

original · zh

@alinluckydog 是你妈的正绿旗,绿头绿脸绿帽子的正绿旗。

fred cheng @csyfred163 ·

@alinluckydog This trend has spread to Taiwan. Taiwanese basketball player Ho Shou-cheng's marriage is in trouble. His sister said their family belonged to the Plain Yellow Banner, which in the Qing Dynasty meant they were princes, and no one else was good enough for her brother. (They don't know that the Bordered Yellow Banner was actually more noble than the Plain Yellow Banner.) x.com/csyfred163/status/208404…

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@alinluckydog 这股风气传到了台湾,台湾篮球运动员何守正婚变,他姐姐说他们家是正黄旗,在清朝他们是贝勒爷,别人配不上他弟弟。(他们都不知道镶黄旗实际上比正黄旗高贵) https://x.com/csyfred163/status/2084049428055199759/photo/1

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常凯申(机枪平移5米版) @fhy1291949 ·

@alinluckydog owes a slaughter

original · ja

@alinluckydog 欠屠

庚桑楚二世 @chiyu_chu89 ·

@alinluckydog 滿洲後裔都特別自以為是 尤其喜歡向別人炫耀自己的旗人血統 真的非常讓人厭惡

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Scott Hsu @ScottHsu0733 ·

@alinluckydog 斷譜的一律當吹牛就對了