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@0xngmi So lesson is to avoid physical establishments for network states?

@0xngmi auroville is also the clearest proof that the host nation state never actually lets go, the moment it got big enough to matter india just legislated itself into ownership of it

@0xngmi Host nation always reclaims its toys when they get too big.

@0xngmi a good fuck around and find out.

@0xngmi except its not hippies here. but ik other factors like politics/corruption may work against regardless.

@0xngmi Lesson is here. Network school should be in internet not physical state.

@0xngmi Yeah but what value were they providing???

@0xngmi India has a a network state since past 80 years It’s called auroville You can go and live there

@0xngmi how did we miss this.would need urgent revision now lol

@0xngmi The hard part isn’t founding a network state. It’s keeping incentives, governance, and property rights aligned as it grows.

@0xngmi Isn't this just copying what others are doing?

@0xngmi It's interesting that you know about this!

@0xngmi India isn’t even a single state if you really look into it, it’s as diverse as Europe The entire country got invented in the last century because the British were like “everyone looks brown enough let’s just group everyone together” Then India happened

@0xngmi Auroville is the perfect case study for why network states are hard. Founding is the easy part, ideology plus land. What breaks them is governance and succession after the founders leave. Coordination at scale with no real exit right is where every one of these stalls.

@0xngmi one should look at the post independence history of india and how sensitive the government is with giving power and autonomy to its union territories. And then thinking you can make your own state in there is utter stupidity. You will be thrown in jail

@0xngmi On another note, India established its own Silicon Valley decades ago in Bangalore, so I'm not sure what tech utopia Balaji thinks he's introducing to the region.

@0xngmi Auroville ran into same issue we see now. The 1980 Auroville Act let Indian gov seize control after endless court fights over land ownership.

@0xngmi Indians tried another experiment in the US. Netflix made a gripping documentry about that. Wild Wild Country share.google/GTwPVUw8W6rnu7tqF

@0xngmi llama knows a lot abt this

@0xngmi Indians make scams.

@0xngmi This time its different

@0xngmi I think my mom told me some stories about it

@0xngmi Was that the one that then moved to Oregon? (One from wild wild country docu)

@0xngmi auroville is a wild case study, the government takeover basically proved the concept works

@0xngmi Still there’s 3300 people living there

despite the popular misappropriation of terminology, network states aren’t about starting a cult in a location. it’s about how networks replace the state-as-arbiter/ issuer model. money is a network, that’s one part. identity as a network, that would be the other overarching it all is the reduction of static physical proximity as a defining factor in network effects that underpin society (and a state is an outcome of a society). which already happened, and ct is a good example: the closest thing we have to a capital city, like tech has with sf or entertainment had with la, etc. I think there may be whole books that misdefine it, and so far there have been no real approaches (other than to monetise the narrative around some kinda residency) one very weird thing is that all things that say they’re part of this start backwards in ways that do not form networks. adversely selecting a load of people to stay in a place together and hope they become a network is almost intentionally missing the point

@0xngmi Auroville is basically a pre-internet network state that forgot to decentralize its governance. Makes you wonder how many "exit" experiments end up getting reabsorbed by the state they tried to leave.

@0xngmi India's 1970s auroville experiment mirrors a network state, with 80s government control.

@0xngmi Japan has similar concepts like Kominka villages, but Auroville is unique in its scale and global appeal, wonder how crypto can learn from this.

@0xngmi auroville was the proto network state lol, the 80s takeover says a lot

@0xngmi classic gov

@0xngmi Auroville basically proves that buying land isn't the same as buying sovereignty. You're still one law away from being absorbed by the host state.