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u/DirectFaithlessness5 1 day ago

How should I split my Roth IRA between VTI and QQQ?

I’m 22 and trying to get more serious about investing. I have about $1,600 saved right now and I’m thinking about putting around $1,200 into my Roth IRA and keeping the other $400 for myself. I’m mainly looking at VTI and QQQ. I was thinking maybe 70% VTI and 30% QQQ, but I’m not sure if that’s a good split. If I max out my Roth IRA every year, would you guys recommend sticking with something like 70/30, or putting more into VTI? I know there’s a lot of overlap between the two, so I’m wondering if QQQ is even worth adding. I’m 22, so I’m investing for the long term and don’t mind taking on some risk. Would appreciate any advice, especially from people who have been investing in these for a while.
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  1. u/Immediate-Run-7085 1 1 day ago
    It’s doesn’t matter. Would you rather have a $10 bill or 2 $5 bills?
  2. u/Ok-Barber3419 1 1 day ago
    70/30 is totally reasonable if you understand that QQQ portion is basically an extra bet on large-cap tech/growth. Personally I’d keep VTI as the core and use QQQ as the tilt. At 22, the bigger win is probably just maxing the Roth consistently every year and leaving it alone.
  3. u/tbisahw 1 1 day ago
    Agreed. At 22, maxing out consistently is the key.
  4. u/rice_not_wheat 1 1 day ago
  5. u/RandolphE6 1 1 day ago
    QQQ is recency bias and marketing, not fundamentally sound investment philosophy. There is no economic or fundamental justification for why a company listed on the Nasdaq is inherently superior to one listed on the New York Stock Exchange. As an example, the dot com crash saw QQQ drop over 80% with 14 years to recover. Furthermore, everything in QQQ is already contained in VTI. Splitting only concentrates into those large caps, which historically underperform over multi-decade periods. If you truly want a factor based approach, look into adding small cap value ie. AVUV.
  6. u/Whole-Reserve-4773 1 1 day ago
    Recency of 20 + years of outperformance? Okay 👍🏾
  7. u/RandolphE6 1 1 day ago
    Typical arrogant Redditor ignorance dismissing over 100 years of market data and basic index mechanics because you looked at a 20-year chart. Okay 👍
  8. u/Whole-Reserve-4773 1 1 day ago
    It didn’t exist before then 🤣. Stay lagging in VT buddy
  9. u/Vindaloo6363 1 18 hours ago
    Tech stocks don’t have 100 years of market data.
  10. u/-ReasonableDoubt 1 14 hours ago
    Bank stocks used to be all over the list of leading market equities because they were loosely regulated and their books were leveraged to the tits
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  13. u/onomatopoeiahadafarm 1 22 hours ago
    Listen to u/RandolphE6, OP. Everything in QQQ is already in VTI, and there is no basis for investing in "the 100 largest non-financial companies listed on the Nasdaq" as opposed to any other company or set of companies.
  14. u/_Underscore_Unders 1 19 hours ago
    I see this argument all of the time. And I do agree it's a risky bet. I fail to see how no one ever makes the comparison of s&p 500 and nasdaq 100. QQQ is the top 100 out of 3000 nasdaq listed stocks. VOO is the top 500 stocks out of 12,000. How is it wrong to purchase QQQ out of the perceived quality of being in the top 3% of a index, but it's okay to purchase VOO out of the perceived quality of being in the top 4.1% off a market? I think nothing of the index, and everything of the "top tier" involved. It could be the Zebra 100 for all I care. This is my mindset any ways. I own AVUV as well and am fully on board with your argument for it. I just see so many people with the "nasdaq is inherently" argument, and I'm not sure that's how everyone investing in QQQ perceives the situation. Maybe I'm an outlier, it's a numbers game to me. Genuinely curious how what is stated above would be a false comparison, or is inherently flawed. If I am wrong in some fundamental way that I'm not perceiving please lay it out for me so I have a better understanding of this "inherently" argument.
  15. u/Dirkredblade 1 23 hours ago
    Go 65% VTI, 25% VXUS as your base. Then the last 10% for trading, speculation/fun, etc, examples would be gold, ibit, or single stocks, or if you want to tilt QQQ. That way 90% of your portfolio is responsible and balanced and automatic and you can ease some of the desire to "beat the market" with that last 10%.
  16. u/Top-Woodpecker6696 1 22 hours ago
    VXUS is up 83% over the last 10 years compared to the S&P 500 being up 253%. Why VXUS over S&P 500? When does the benefit of diversification kick in?
  17. u/Dalewyn 1 21 hours ago
    S&P 500 is up 253% over the last 10 years compared to MU being up 3170%. Why S&P 500 over MU? When does the benefit of diversification kick in?
  18. u/RandolphE6 1 20 hours ago
    Pfft why bother with MU when you could invest in NVDA 10 years ago.
  19. u/andybmcc 1 18 hours ago
    Yeah, you can get rich quick if you just 150x your wealth every 10 years.  Anything else is underperformance and will keep you poor.
  20. u/ProbablyDoesntLikeU 1 22 hours ago
    Be a man and 50/50 TECL amd QLD. You are 22, you have plenty of time
  21. u/sleezly 1 22 hours ago
    I went 50/50 approx 20 years ago. As you can imagine, both investments are doing great but the tech heavy side has outperformed by a large number. No idea what the future will hold but my bet remains the same; AI companies will likely grow in to cash cows from cash burners. VTI + QQQ (or VGT) with equal weighting is a good play.
  22. u/glimsky 1 22 hours ago
    0% QQQ and 100% VTI
  23. u/cjorgensen 1 21 hours ago
    Dump the QQQ and just get VT and be done.
  24. u/dao_n_town 1 20 hours ago
    If u really dont mind risk, LEAPS on ur favorite tech blue chip lol
  25. u/user4443337 1 20 hours ago
    I would recommend \~15% maximum for a sector/thematic/factor tilt — large cap growth isn’t one of the most favorable factors. Small cap value is, but even I cap SCV at 10-15%. You want to diversify with international. Add VXUS, AVNM, AVNV, or DFAX. The latter three attempt to beat the benchmark VT and have so far, but you take tracking error risk. If you’d regret some underperformance then stick to the benchmark. If you believe in Avantis/Dimensional methods and implementations, try out the latter three funds, with AVNV being my favorite for a larger value tilt.
  26. u/_Underscore_Unders 1 20 hours ago
    QQQ should almost always be a small satellite unless you have an above average risk tolerance. They're are some who go 100% qqq but these are definitely outliers. I've personally held it at between 10-13% over the years. If your really young your portfolio could use the growth, but it's a riskier hold than VTI in a severe downturn.
  27. u/Humble_Meat_2219 1 11 hours ago
    Yup and a lot of us are 100% international with Trump tanking domestic markets. 
  28. u/FracturedFlow 1 19 hours ago
    QQQM: SCHG: SPMO: VOO: VGT: SCHD: Lots of overlap
  29. u/DocInABox33 1 18 hours ago
    Do you understand there’s essentially no difference because of concentration? You are basically owning QQQ with VTI so just pick QQQ and find another asset that doesn’t have overlap of your aim is true diversification. All these people saying 70/30 VTI QQQ is a good idea… VTI is 46% overlapped with QQQ. Your true composition is therefore Non-QQQ component of your portfolio .70 x .54=0.378 QQQ component of your portfolio .70 x .46=0.322 .30 x 1=0.3 0.322 + 0.3=0.622 QQQ IS 62% of your entire portfolio!!
  30. u/fourwedge 1 18 hours ago
    I'm 50/50
  31. u/Psynautical 1 18 hours ago
    All vt.
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  33. u/Nuclear_N 1 17 hours ago
    50-50. Make it a race and see which one makes you more. I have done this several times putting 10k in several funds, and see what happens in a few years.
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  36. u/gbdgdh 1 14 hours ago
    70/30 vti/vxus. qqq is a random collection of 100 companies, all of which are well represented in vti.
  37. u/ExcellentWinner7542 1 12 hours ago
    FXAIX, VTI, SCHD