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u/rae0086 1 day ago CPF

Is it worth locking up 15.3k every year in SRS for tax savings?

For context, 30F at 11.5% tax bracket. I haven’t settled on housing and kids etc so I’m worried about liquidity. Wondering what are peoples thoughts on contributing into SRS for tax savings? I know we can use the money in SRS to invest as well, so I know it won’t ‘go to waste’ but just wondering if the lack of liquidity is worth saving 1.7k in taxes or should I just suck it up and pay the moniesss
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  1. u/DuePomegranate 1 1 day ago
    The rule of thumb that many people roughly agree on: 11.5% can consider SRS (but no need to). 15% tax bracket, should probably consider (but assuming that you won't have high rental income when retired, or retire outside of Singapore).
  2. u/moonlight2099 1 1 day ago
    I have the same thoughts too!
  3. u/kookiedookie 1 1 day ago
    Who agreed on this? The question of whether SRS is worth seems more of whether they can afford to have their money locked up, rather than how much savings they can get. I could be earning at the 7% bracket and still being very happy to max out SRS if I'm setting aside my income to invest anyway.
  4. u/Puzzleheaded-Dog-910 1 1 day ago
    this is the correct answer
  5. u/Varantain 1 1 day ago
    If you're an aspiring ~~leech~~ landlord, you could still be earning taxable income in your retirement years, and end up having to pay tax on your SRS withdrawal at a higher marginal rate. Of course, that assumes the rental income is more than $120k/year (15%), which I guess is quite difficult to hit.
  6. u/waxqube 1 1 day ago
    It really depends on the person though. For me I also contributed at 7%, because saving 7% is saving 7% (and I didn't need the liquidity). Furthermore, I also have SGX stocks, so whether it's in SRS or not makes no difference to me. However, unit trusts which follow the index do have differences compared to ETFs you can buy.
  7. u/nevides 1 1 day ago
    I think liquidity is more important at your stage in life. Also this is not a binary choice, you can put a smaller sum in srs to set a balance between tax savings and liquidity
  8. u/Silentxgold 1 1 day ago
    It could be worth it if you invest that 15.3k AND the tax saving somewhere that justifies that lock in. SRS monies have a penalty if you withdraw early, but what if your returns comfortable covers that penalty? It could be an emergency piggy bank if you get retrenched over a long period of time.
  9. u/SeriousMoment5511 1 1 day ago
    If you are going to get your own place, Then check if you have accumulate enough money to prepare for down payment and renovation etc. As some of these fees need to be paid with cash, so you will need the liquidity. If you have set aside enough money, then can start topping up SA and then SRS for tax saving.
  10. u/Fancy_Cupcake_971 1 1 day ago
    Depends on your wants. For me, the money I dump in SRS would just be shoved into some ETFs anyway, and you get an instant return on your money by saving the tax which I invest the savings in. In your case, you essentially get an instant 11.5% return (although it’s technically just a deferred taxation scheme but the rationale is in retirement your income will be lower than now)
  11. u/parkson89 1 1 day ago
    How do you calculate instant 11.5% return?
  12. u/outofpoint 1 1 day ago
    Tax savings...
  13. u/Iforgotmynametoobro 1 1 day ago
    You don't have to pay 11.5% tax on the amount that you put into SRS.
  14. u/parkson89 1 1 day ago
    Yeah but it won’t be an instant savings of 11.5% is it, it only reduces the assessable income by $15,300
  15. u/je7792 1 1 day ago
    On the 15.3k you will save 11.5%
  16. u/InvestigatorSure4465 1 1 day ago
    $15,300 wont be subjected to the 11.5% tax which is an instant $1759.50 savings.
  17. u/parkson89 1 1 day ago
    Ok thanks
  18. u/feng-norbu 1 1 day ago
    isn't it also true that when you take it out, only 50% of it is subject to tax?
  19. u/Fancy_Cupcake_971 1 1 day ago
    Yes, assuming you don’t take it out early (then there is a penalty and taxed on 100%). The idea is you will be earning less when you withdraw. There’s no guarantee of course, but if you are earning well now and you earn even more in your 60s somehow, then you are probably doing well enough to not worry about it
  20. u/Formal_Bat_3109 1 1 day ago
    Yes. This
  21. u/Puzzleheaded-Dog-910 1 1 day ago
    for anyone who's intending to retire early and does not need the liquidity, anywhere above 5% marginal tax bracket makes it worthwhile to put money into SRS, since it can always be withdrawn with a 5% penalty after you stop working (and the tax savings would have compounded in the meantime) but if you are concerned about liquidity, the question then becomes how likely you are to withdraw the $15.3k in the future (and what your marginal tax bracket is expected to be then), weighted against the certain gains that happen today from the tax savings.
  22. u/redditting_ 1 1 day ago
    You need to pay tax on the amount withdrawn. So you need to also factor that in when deciding whether the 5% penalty is worth it. For example, if you're only saving 7% and you subsequently withdraw some sums during a year where your taxable income is in the 7% bracket, then you'll be losing 12% of that sum (offset by any gains made by investing that sum)
  23. u/waxqube 1 1 day ago
    If you're retiring early, chances are you'll have minimal income and only withdraw SRS as a last resort, which means no taxable income. Those who intend to retire early on property income will also have to think twice.
  24. u/redditting_ 1 1 day ago
    Ok, irrelevant to OP
  25. u/Puzzleheaded-Dog-910 1 1 day ago
    if you retire early your income should be $0 of very close to it, which means only paying 5% for withdrawal
  26. u/redditting_ 1 1 day ago
    I see, just didn't make sense in the context of OP (she didn't say she's retiring early)
  27. u/mktolg 1 1 day ago
    you can't ask a question about liquidity without providing information about your liquid assets. At least not if you expect an answer that actually makes sense.
  28. u/Durian881 1 1 day ago
    If you really need liquidity, don't put into SRS.
  29. u/39strangers 1 1 day ago
    I would paid housing first before I put money in SRS. Your tax is also not that high. SRS is more suitable for ppl with disposable income that can be left alone for decades.
  30. u/Alarmed_Tax_7310 1 1 day ago
    if you are in the 11,5% tax bracket without significant liabilities, putting aside 15.3k shouldn't impact your overall liquidity that much.. if it does, maybe you should be looking at your other outflows instead?
  31. u/DuePomegranate 1 1 day ago
    She's not talking about having difficulty with outflows, but rather saving for future housing downpayment, reno and possibly having kids in the future. These are large expenses that can arise rather suddenly when one is single or attached, but unsure about if/when marriage might happen.
  32. u/klimtsa 1 1 day ago
    If you are a singaporean working mother, make sure you have used up all other tax savings strategies (cpf, wmcr, child tax rebate) before considering srs. If cashflow is going to be a problem srs may not be so wise
  33. u/anObs3rver 1 1 day ago
    SRS has liquidity, CPF doesn’t
  34. u/DuePomegranate 1 1 day ago
    Sadly it is much more difficult for new mothers to reach 80k cap via WMCR. They nerfed it (for babies born in 2024 onwards) to a flat 8k, 10k, 12k relief for kids 1, 2, 3, from the 15%, 20% and 25% of mother's income. I believe the maximum CPF relief from compulsory contributions is $20.4k. So even with 3 kids born after 2024 and a total of $30k WMCR, maybe another $8k from CPF top-up, there's still a long way to go to hit the 80k personal relief cap.
  35. u/klimtsa 1 1 day ago
    Yes that’s true. They should bring back the old system, at least there are some minor incentives to have children. It’s not like singapore cannot afford it
  36. u/Deminovia 1 1 day ago
    Liquidity is crucial during this crucial period where you have to settle your housing and wedding. Hold off locking up the full $15K for now. I know this is singaporefi, but trying to optimise everything is not ideal when there is still uncertainty regarding your big ticket expenses.
  37. u/Pristine-Weekend-415 1 1 day ago
    SRS is good if you plan to retire at 63 and spend the next 2 years withdrawing all of it before cpf life kicks in at 65. Income must be less than 20k a year during those 2 years But at 30 you should have other needs coming up such as housing / kids
  38. u/klimtsa 1 1 day ago
    Cpf life payout is not taxable
  39. u/Curious-Tension625 1 1 day ago
    Only do so if you don’t need the money immediately, which is the point! since it’s for retirement 30+ years from now - hence there is no need for it to be liquid. That said, I would only invest up to the point where it reduces your 11.5% tax bracket as you rightly pointed out, AND also don’t forget that your withdrawal during retirement years is subject to tax. your tax free withdrawal is $400k over 10 years when you hit retirement . Hence, invest some, but not too excessively that you over deposit and incur the deferred taxes.
  40. u/Personal-Cup4772 1 1 day ago
    No
  41. u/BiggusKkj 1 1 day ago
    11.5% means you're drawing between 90-120k? Unless you've crossed 120k, it's not worth it to put into SRS just yet. 1. You've not maxed out your CPF OA contribution - you can deduct up to 8k (IIRC) per year and this makes more sense because you're not taxed on CPF OA/RA (unlike SRS where you're taxed 50% when you cash it out in the future) 2. While the tax deduction amount is significant, the savings you get vs actual tax paid isn't commensurate. Assuming 120k annual salary, your tax is 13.8k or 1.15k per month thru GIRO, vs $15,300 in SRS for write off + whatever other tax you're paying. The amount saved is not worth sacrificing liqudity at this stage. 3. You're only 30, so you're young and have a long road ahead for investing. I don't recommend being too conservative right now - I'd rather you take the 15.3k and put it into something that can grow. UCIT ETFs make sense if you're worried, else take a risk, do some research and put it into some growth stocks.
  42. u/Uranium-Sauce 1 1 day ago
    You cannot voluntary contribute to CPF OA to get tax relief. Tax relief is only for SA top-up.
  43. u/BiggusKkj 1 1 day ago
    Yes - sorry my mistake! It's not OA top up, SA top up!
  44. u/kookiedookie 1 1 day ago
    Point 2 doesn't make sense. OP already said her tax savings is 1.7k if SRS. Why would her total tax payment be relevant at all? And for point 3 - you can use the SRS to buy UCITS ETFs too. Sure, whats available with SRS is limited to only funds and not stocks, but I'd argue that retirement funds should be diversified rather than put on individual growth stocks anyway. SRS is undoubtedly better if you can afford it - it's basically a 11.5% cash back on investments (minus the 50% tax "clawback" when it matures). The question is whether the savings justifies the lock in period, i.e. whether OP needs the money in the near term. To which other commenters are correctly pointing out that having money for housing and kids are the key considerations first.
  45. u/Own-Tomorrow4822 1 1 day ago
    If you're in the 11.5% tax bracket and are worried about liquidity, you probably have a spending problem, so building a 6 months emergency fund should be a priority. Once you have that, the SRS makes sense if you want to invest or consider CPF top up if you want to use OA for housing, the tax savings are at the same rate. If you're worried about liquidity, you can also start SRS with less than 15k per year
  46. u/spacebarormarsbar 1 1 day ago
    You can top up your CPF OA account (up to 8k) for tax savings. Then use that OA money to pay for your house down payment!
  47. u/Tiger2021J 1 1 day ago
    top up oa ???
  48. u/Responsible-Wish-635 1 1 day ago
    Isn’t it top up SA?
  49. u/unluckid21 1 1 day ago
    Short answer? No. You're saving on 11.5% now (and seems unlikely you'll be saving 11.5% for the whole 15300, so moderate as you will). Assuming you invest that money, you'll probably end up with more than 400k in SRS over the long run. Note that withdrawals from SRS is subject to income tax, albeit at a 50% discount. But that becomes a form of capital gains tax, which Singapore doesn't have. So you'll be better off investing that money in the first ppace than putting it into SRS
  50. u/DuePomegranate 1 1 day ago
    By the time you end up with more than 400k in SRS, the tax-free bracket may no longer be 20k (making 40k withdrawal from SRS the tax-free limit). Also, if you don't have other taxable income when retired, the actual tax amount you'd pay on large SRS withdrawals is very low. Assuming tax brackets don't change, even if you withdraw $100k per year from SRS, that's taxed as $50k income and the bill is $550 + 0.07x 10k = $1250, or 1.25% of what you withdrew. That's less than what OP saved upfront.
  51. u/unluckid21 1 1 day ago
    Not wrong, but it's something to consider
  52. u/kookiedookie 1 1 day ago
    You don't have to withdraw it all at once. You can withdraw sporadically and at a much lower tax bracket when you retire.
  53. u/unluckid21 1 1 day ago
    Not wrong, but it's something to consider
  54. u/waxqube 1 1 day ago
    I think there is no short answer to this. Anyway it's very hard to reach a point where you incur the "capital gains" tax, especially if you FIRE. Because you can only contribute 15.3k per year. Furthermore, you will also have investment gains on the 11.5% which you wouldn't have invested if you had paid the tax.
  55. u/unluckid21 1 1 day ago
    Not wrong, but it's something to consider
  56. u/Little_Result1469 1 1 day ago
    No.. if your actual tax is like way above that then it makes more sense.. unless you dont need the money.
  57. u/InfiniteDividends 1 1 day ago
    At 11.5%, probably not, not to mention that you're at the age where you need the money most, housing, wedding, etc. I only started contributing to SRS at the 18% bracket.
  58. u/LC3045 1 1 day ago
    If you have concerns about the full 15.3k sum, why not do a smaller sum like $5k. The forced savings and tax savings are still beneficial. Liquidity for housing and kids are very real concerns in your 30s. As someone in his early 40s, I understand why you want to have some liquidity put aside.
  59. u/strawberryreddy 1 1 day ago
    Maybe take a leaf from the R in SRS. Are you in the good position now to prepare for R , instead of building nest, taking car of children, etc…
  60. u/Macadish 1 1 day ago
    It is worth noting that SRS is a deferred taxation scheme, as other people have already mentioned. More importantly, only **50% of withdrawals are taxable**. That's actually the most beneficial part of the scheme, more so than the deferment. That said, any withdrawal from the SRS is taxed even upon death (like if you end up with several millions in the SRS that you wish to pass on, those millions might be taxed at 12%, see below for why) Anytime you need to move a huge lump sum of money out of the SRS (estate, large investment etc.), the highest tax rate would be **24% x 0.5 = 12 %**(highest tax rate x 50% of withdrawal is taxable). So if your current tax bracket is more than 12%, you stand to gain even if it is just a little (There are some assumptions I am making in this statement). If your SRS account is growing much faster than inflation, then you might end up paying more taxes on those gains, somewhat similar to a **capital gains tax**. At the extreme, you might end up in a situation where you save 24% on 80k annually, but pay 12% on millions when withdrawing. My heuristics when thinking about the SRS are: 1) Putting in only a portion of your disposable income if your tax bracket is high so that the savings are worth the liquidity hit and deferred tax hit. 2) Making sure SRS has enough at retirement to supplement monthly expenses in the future, **but no more**. SRS is most effective when you are never withdrawing a huge sum of money, especially for estate purposes (i.e. on death). 3) Because **only 50% of withdrawal is taxable**, the highest tax rate is capped at 12%. Effective tax rate will be much lower. That means for most people, even if they don't min-max their SRS, they won't lose out that badly. For example, if you plan on withdrawing a relatively large amount of $240,000 in a single year ($20,000 a month at today's rate!), your effective tax rate would be \~3.3%. (7950 tax for the 120,000 taxable income. Divide 7950 by 240,000.) If you withdrew 2 million that year, the effect tax rate would be \~10.0%. For most people, the effective tax rate will be lower than 3.3%. So based on your bracket, suppose you are saving 11.5% on 40,000 (4600), in 20 years at 5% compounding, you would get 1) Non-SRS $35,400 compounded over 20 years \~$94,000 2) SRS $40000 compounded over 20 years plus 3.3% tax on withdrawal (based on my assumptions above) \~$102,500 So putting it in SRS today earned you about \~$8500, or \~9% more, after 20 years. If your current tax bracket is higher, if the money compounds at higher than 5% annually, if you plan to withdraw less than my very generous assumption at retirement, if you are only retiring after 30 or 40 years, the difference will be even bigger. (I rounded some numbers for easier interpretation. Also, these calculations make some assumptions, like making huge withdrawals during retirement. If my math is wrong, please let me know so I don't spread erroneous information!)
  61. u/kookiedookie 1 1 day ago
    Finally a solid answer! Why is the nonSRS Vs SRS comparison 13.5k Vs 15.3k though? I would have used 15.3k Vs 17k instead (tax savings reinvested into retirement)
  62. u/Macadish 1 1 day ago
    I calculated what 15.3k was after tax at 11.5% since 15.3k is the cap. 13.5k would be what I would have after income tax for normal non-SRS investment. 15.3k would be what I have if I've transferred the limit to SRS. Am I missing something? Let me know and I'll update my reply!
  63. u/kookiedookie 1 1 day ago
    This makes sense as well, I just didn't consider that
  64. u/Phoxchop 1 1 day ago
    Good points. Just one thing: the amount your portfolio grows doesnt matter. $15,300 * X% growth * Y% after-growth tax = $15,300 * Y% before-growth tax * X% growth. Since growth is the same if investment is the same, the only thing that matters is the before and after tax rate. Since SRS withdrawal after retirement has a 50% discount, it will likely be lower, hence higher end portfolio value. Even if you "pay more in taxes" you actually end up better off. Another way to see the point: if growth is extremely exponential, the tax savings today are worth just that much more.
  65. u/Macadish 1 1 day ago
    Yup, absolutely right, I was too busy working out the math for a single case, I neglected the multiplicative effect such that we can simply ignore growth. People might wonder if it is better to pay taxes now so they don't have to pay taxes on capital growth, or grow their money with a larger base, but pay taxes on the growth. The math is such that **they are both the same if tax rate for deposit and withdrawal is exactly the same**. Only the tax differential matter, and because of the 50% discount, it typically favors SRS in most situations.
  66. u/Varantain 1 1 day ago
    Just one thing: the amount your portfolio grows doesnt matter. $15,300 * X% growth * Y% after-growth tax = $15,300 * Y% before-growth tax * X% growth. Since growth is the same if investment is the same, the only thing that matters is the before and after tax rate. Since SRS withdrawal after retirement has a 50% discount, it will likely be lower, hence higher end portfolio value. Even if you "pay more in taxes" you actually end up better off.
    Actually, we have the opposite problem from the US people and their Roth IRAs. Since we don't have capital gains tax, growth in non-SRS accounts has no tax at all.
  67. u/Phoxchop 1 18 hours ago
    Here we are comparing when you pay income tax. There is no capital gains tax from either SRS or non-SRS. Yes you don't "pay taxes" on non-SRS investment, but you pay income tax that you could have otherwise invested. Example: If you choose to use ur $15,300 to invest fully in non-SRS, out of your $15,300 10% is taxed, so you can only invest $13,770. If you instead choose to invest is SRS you have the full $15,300 to invest. You didnt "pay taxes" on your $13,770 because u already paid income tax. And as the math illustrates, it actually doesnt matter whether you pay taxes first then invest or invest then pay taxes. What matters is the tax rate, and SRS has a 50% discount on taxable income.
  68. u/Varantain 1 18 hours ago
    I'm not saying contributing to SRS is a bad thing. But if we're talking investment asset allocation, SRS might be more suitable as the bond component of a portfolio. Lower risk premium, lower compounded gains (leading to less income tax payable on withdrawal), but healthier diversification.
  69. u/Phoxchop 1 18 hours ago
    Lets say you have $30k excess savings you want to invest. You can invest $15k in SRS and $15k in non-SRS. Also assume that u happen to want 50/50 stock/bond allocation. Should u put the bond portion in SRS or non-SRS? The math shows that it does not matter. Assuming your stocks grow 600% and bonds grow 200% before withdrawal, Invest bond in SRS: $15k * 200% growth * 90% taxes + $13.5k(at 10% tax rate) * 600% growth = $108k Invest bond in non-SRS: $13.5k(at 10% tax rate) * 200% growth + $15k * 600% growth * 90% taxes = $108k There is no difference if your tax rate does not change. This is even if you pay only $1.5k in taxes in the first case while you pay $9k in taxes in the second case. There is no "lower risk premium, lower compounded gains, or more diversification". Asset location decisions are distinct from asset allocation decisions. Given the same asset allocation (e.g. 50/50 stock/bond) and the same investment vehicles (e.g. vwra/aggu), the only thing that affects whether srs is beneficial is the tax rate at the time of investment vs tax rate at the time of withdrawal.
  70. u/Macadish 1 16 hours ago
    Yes, SRS has limited investment options compared to non-SRS (which is pretty much anything under the sun). So if you are looking to invest in anything that SRS doesn't offer, then you wouldn't be considering SRS in the first place. For safe asset allocation like bonds, you can do it in SRS or non-SRS with different tax outcomes, but **investing in bonds using SRS is a choice, not a feature**. It is not like CPF with guaranteed 2.5-4%, which is what most people are talking about when considering CPF as their bond allocation. For SRS, it is really more about gaining the tax differential regardless of your investment decisions. Put it differently, a deferred tax scheme like SRS is not inherently more or less suitable for any typical asset class. You can invest in equities via SRS and enjoy the same relative (i.e. percentage) tax benefits as bonds. But, I'll concede that because SRS is explicitly created for retirement purposes, people might want it to perform like CPF (safe investments for capital protection instead of aggressive growth). That's fine, but again, it is a choice, not an inherent feature of SRS.
  71. u/Character_Actuary572 1 1 day ago
    would you also need to account for the different tax brackets in the savings? Assuming the SRS hits $2m, the tax savings are lesser than if the SRS hits $400k
  72. u/Macadish 1 1 day ago
    The difference between SRS and non-SRS (when **measured in percentages**) will not be affected by whether SRS hits $400k or $2mil. That's the beauty of multiplicative math. However, when measured in **absolute terms**, then yes, the more you accumulate in SRS, the more you gain over non-SRS.
  73. u/Suitable_Garden_9844 1 1 day ago
    The heuristics here are genuinely useful, but there's one significant issue: While it is true that only half the quantum (amount) of the SRS withdrawal is added to your taxable income, **the tax rate itself is not halved.** This means that you can still be taxed up to 24% for SRS withdrawals, but to be fair, this only happens at extreme income levels.
  74. u/Macadish 1 1 day ago
    Hmm, but let's say a person has $10 million in SRS today and is at retirement age and withdraws everything in a year. Only 5 million will be taxed (1 mil taxed at roughly 20%, and the next 4 mil taxed at 24%, based on the current tax brackets). Let's simplify the math and say the full $5 million is taxed at 24%, or roughly $120,000. So the effective tax rate is therefore \~12% (24% of 5 mil = 12% of 10 mil) Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I withdraw $10 mil from SRS now, I should be paying a tax of roughly $120,000, not $240,000.
  75. u/Suitable_Garden_9844 1 1 day ago
    I see where you're coming from. 12% here is a cap on the **effective tax rate** when you count the total withdrawn amount. This makes sense.
  76. u/blackbesi 1 1 day ago
    It is an option. If you need liquidity to pay off certain thing like short term loan, do that first. Unpaid credit card, pay that off first. If you are confident to be able to generate more than the tax saving, then by all means skip SRS.
  77. u/DadAtHomeFire50 1 1 day ago
    SG income tax is quite straightforward. Just fire up the tax brackets, do you own minus here and there based on the deductibles you will claim, see which bracket it moves you up and how much you then pay and save. Then decide if the tax savings warrant committing 15.3k that you will see only 33-34 years later when you're 63-64, even if you do invest it. For simplicity, use SRS only if you surpass the $160k taxable (not income) bracket.
  78. u/itsakyo 1 1 day ago
    Assuming CPF cash contribution is already in use? SRS could be considered as savings. But if you need that amount then keep it liquid? SRS can start a little later, considering the extremely long runway to retirement age.
  79. u/KenMcGormick 1 1 day ago
    I breakdown retirement funds into 3 baskets Retirement age - 55 = Liquid basket 55 - 62 = Liquid + CPF OA basket 62 - death = SRS + CPF SA basket Depending on your expenses and retirement age, SRS might play a big part in your retirement planning. This you have to work out yourself.
  80. u/gav1n_n6 1 1 day ago
    Explore first sa top up first. See if Ur SA hits frs yet. That better tax saving. Next is your MA BHS? If not that can also give tax rebate. Both up to 8k. Both give U return faster at 55 if U hits FRS already. Better 4% interest. Better liquidity compared to srs.
  81. u/youth1122 1 1 day ago
    That means as long one person hit above frs they can withdraw all OA amount after minus the frs amount? Then frs amount in RA can only withdraw at age 65
  82. u/gav1n_n6 1 1 day ago
    Yes. Srs is 62 or 63 depends on which year U put in srs. But OA is 55 U can take out. Provided U did the projection and knows that U can hits frs by 55.
  83. u/waxqube 1 1 day ago
    SRS is not as illiquid as say CPF SA because you can withdraw with penalty as a last resort (compared to SA which requires adverse circumstances). Unfortunately, SRS is quite a complicated scheme (IMO) so there's no straight answer here. You really have to understand the pros and cons to decide for yourself.
  84. u/Thruthrutrain 1 1 day ago
    Just calculate to ensure you have enough savings/cash for buying your first home, renovations, weddings, etc. Before locking it up until your retirement age.
  85. u/feng-norbu 1 1 day ago
    most definitely, in most cases.. not ruling out edge cases but it almost always makes sense. you get deferred tax upfront! that alone is worth it, not to mention that you can invest the fund... it's really a no brainer.
  86. u/Majestic-Track6724 1 1 day ago
    contributing to SRS is more worth it the higher the tax bracket you're in. once you have kids, and you have zero savings every month, you'll be glad you socked away some money in whatever form in your earlier years. if you can spare the cash, why not?
  87. u/Pure_Awareness6034 1 1 day ago
    first thing is to make sure u live long enough to enjoy the tax savings
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  89. u/piptheboy 1 1 day ago
    faced this similar qs a year ago. regardless of what you decide on, just do the usual and put in a dollar first to lock in the retirement age. i feel that this ain't really about how much you can gain from the investment because honestly, you can do the same exact thing with any brokerage acct, just without tax savings. so the true question is do you seriously need that kind of liquidity? a few short questions you need to clarify yourself: 1. based on your life situation now, how much liquid cash do you have per month? 2. do you truly need that amount of liquidity? liquidity comes in diff levels - for basic needs, for leisure, and for luxury. ask yourself which level you are comfortable having 3. do you have your emergency funds in place? only after you've done these calculations, then you can come to the conclusion whether it's comfortable for you to pump the money in i'll provide my own situation as the example. realised after calculations, that I have a household surplus of about 6-8k per month (added spouse income, minus other expenses. it's a wide range because we spend more on some months than others) so obviously i realised i don't really need the 6-8k. i can do with 4-5k surplus per month and still enjoy the yearly holiday, or some relaxing staycations etc. in my situation, not investing the surplus into SRS is quite silly - i'm essentially paying IRAS a few thousand a year for a false sense of spare liquidity security that I don't actually need. it may differ for you, but you need to do the math for your situation first hope you live long long
  90. u/josemartinlopez 1 1 day ago
    You could read all the previous threads on this topic.
  91. u/Awkward-Refuse-1355 1 1 day ago
    It is not worth. you can put that into better stocks and earn a lot in next 5 years
  92. u/VariousPositive4169 1 1 day ago
    SRS tax savings is once off. It is often better to find a good international broker like ibkr buy good index funds and save on recurrent costs.
  93. u/zealmummy 1 1 day ago
    A few factors to consider, are u or hub intending to settle house/kid soon? How’s his financial situation? I would like to SRS if hub or future hub can manage those. Have u done the 8k top up to save taxes- that can be used for housing.
  94. u/ThursdayCoke 1 1 day ago
    Hello! 30M, similar situation as you: 11.5%, no house, no kids. (But for reasons, staying alone, no need to pay rent.) I’ve been maxing out my SRS contributions since 2 years ago, but mostly for tax savings. I’m seeing it as a form of investment and calculating that within my allocated investing budget.
  95. u/crazymustang11 1 1 day ago
    Please also remember that under SRS the capital gain is also taxable, say you invested in DBS stock (50pct of the capital gain). If you had not put in SRS, and the money had been invested in the same stock, there would be zero tax on the capital gain. So please factor that in your calculations. If you have been investing in SRS, the principal plus capital gain can be quite substantial at time of redemption. Say it's 1 million, and you have ten years to withdraw it. Youre forced to withdraw 100k per annum so you are in a high tax bracket
  96. u/namelessoldier 1 1 day ago
    Is 11.5 your marginal rate or effective rate of taxation? If marginal I don't think it's enough to justify the loss of liquidity.
  97. u/AyescreamShop 1 1 day ago
    Personally I feel at this tax bracket not that worth it. My benchmark is 15% and above bracket I'll say go for it if you have the liquidity.
  98. u/the99percent1 1 1 day ago
    No, almost always never works out for the minimal tax savings that you can get in return.
  99. u/Pleasant_Move_8388 1 1 day ago
    Buy a property first. Srs after all is still a tool to prepare your retirement.
  100. u/Difficult_Focus3253 1 1 day ago
    Why throw the liquidity away lol
  101. u/DesperateTeaCake 1 1 day ago
    One problem with SRS is you are locked-in to a limited range of investment providers. What you save in tax you loose some of it in higher asset purchase fees (e.g. full charge on unit trusts).
  102. u/Proper-Start-7074 1 1 day ago
    There’s a ton of hypotheses on if you should or shouldn’t but I guess OP is just looking for real life examples for or against SRS investing so here’s mine. I started SRS investing only at 33-35 and at the >20% tax bracket, also when I had effectively >6 months of cash saved up so much so that 15.3k didn’t really affect my liquidity status. That 15.3k was gonna go into investments anyway but that 20% discount off my tax bill helped reduce the cost basis of the investment i.e. you’re saving that 3+k off that 15.3k at the expense of it being locked in - fine which is what your VWRA / VOO equivalent was gonna do anyway. Also, if you’re scared you’re late on this and optimizing for that 400k at 63 (40k withdrawal over 10 years), effectively you only need 15 years of 15.3k annual contributions @ 8% to hit 400k. To be honest, who really thinks 10mio in SRS is a realistic thing? Just my 2c on what works for me.
  103. u/cassowary-18 1 1 day ago
    Tbh I only opened my SRS with $1 to lock in my withdrawal age, then never touched it thereafter. I chose to max out CPF for tax relief before considering SRS, since CPF is tax free on withdrawal.
  104. u/Somebodehh98 1 20 hours ago
    Can consider starting small amount like $50 or $100 per month first. If your income tax is likely paying more than $500/month, this is a sign you should consider topping up SRS for the tax rebate/deduction (sorry if I use the wrong term). Dumping 15.3k at one go is a lot and you may not be able to keep up with the habit. I think start small and consistent is a good way to kickstart.
  105. u/Heavy-Insurance-6407 1 18 hours ago
    I'm a big fan of SRS, bc i used to be in the higher tax brackets. So I maxed out every year. One thing besides all the other points mentioned is that unlike CPF, you dont really lose full liquidity. Sit with this a while: you can take it out before the statutory retirement age (62 for me), by paying 5% penalty. So this is my emergency emergency fund. Yes like backup to the backup. In case I get retrenched before 62, or just decide to sack my boss, I can take out everything by just paying 5%. Compared to the >17% i would have paid in taxes, I'm still net positive 12%. Of course I have a separate cash emergency fund in HYSA and MMF. So I will likely not need to do that.
  106. u/Original-Code1107 1 17 hours ago
    It depends. If it's money you were going to invest with anyway, and you were never going to use it, and there's a very close equivalent that you can buy with SRS compared to outside, then you save 1.7k for every 15.3k you put in SRS. Even if you pick roboadvisors like endowus, at the 11.5% bracket, a 0.3% additional platform fee drag (assuming endowus fund smart) takes 36 years to breakeven on nominal basis. If you account for net present value, it takes even longer, since 0.3% 36 years later is worth less than half, today. You're 30 today, so 36 years is after you can withdraw the money, essentially making the breakeven infinite. Key words here are 1) if you were going to invest it anyway, 2) you were never going to use it before retirement age, and 3) there is a very close or even identical equivalent you can buy using SRS as outside it. Yes to any of these completely changes the conclusion.
  107. u/Emergency-Bite1427 1 14 hours ago
    Everyone’s individual requirements varies. Is the amount is huge requirement for your yearly spend? If not, just leave it to SRS to save on 1.7K Many of us, send it to SRS because 15.3K is small amount in our overall investment portfolio. Also, most of the investments are for life and rotated around. Not taken out for spending anytime soon.