Trump Is Cooked

Questionable source tbh but I could see this being their play

Getting reputable sources is tricky when the two parties are the Trump Administration and Iran lol

FR, both have an agenda in using media to influence market sentiment. But it's pretty sad the first thing I check when I see something from the President of the United States is news sources from outside the U.S. to see what they're saying

You should be cross referencing sources on every single piece of important news you read without discrimination.

https://thegrayzone.com/author/max-blumen… Good website for unbiased & honest reporting. Great youtube channel as well. Max Blumenthal's been accurately reporting on the middle east (and elsewhere) for decades now.

That site is depressing. I’d rather watch Fox. Just today they said deportations are at record high levels never seen before.

I wouldn't say he's unbiased, but just better than the trash empire media.

As biased as it comes lol. Not saying it’s bad reporting but just scrolling a few articles the bias is clear as day.

Al Jazeera seems to have the best detailed coverage although they cover like every minute detail, even stuff most people wouldnt care about. 

Al Jazeera is more biased than the Trump administration, why the fuck would you believe this propaganda outlet? That’s basically like believing Russia Today.

Seems pretty accurate on the factual stuff.  Most of the larger incidents reported there end up also being reported in the WSJ and FT.  I dont read the editorial content in any of those publications, cant comment on that stuff.

Although they are very biased when it comes to ME news, they are well positioned to get information for this conflict.

Iran has been pretty reliable so far.

Wild times when the office of the US president and Iran’s leadership are both considered frequent liars.

That fact that we are to a point where no one is even sure who is less trustworthy is absurd

100% how fucking sad is that.

How dare you not believe the commander in chief when he said we won this not-war and only total surrender will get Iran out of this ass whipping.

Trump is definitely less trustworthy

This, unironically

Less? After the 2016 Frontline episode going into his background, it was clear to me he was nothing more than a lying conman who should have been elected in the first place. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/docume…

Ok ok, where's Ja on the matter? Anybody hear from Ja Rule yet?

I know trump is less trustworthy than iran

Iran says the Strait is closed and sends missiles/drones at ships US says it is open, but those who say that aren't sailing on the deck doing the Titanic pose with netanyahu Picture clear?

Iranians are not in the Epstein Files.

Iran seems to lie less than Trump.

They've been more accurate on the diplomatic and how the negotiations have been going. Although Trumps side quest to use the war to manipulate the stock market makes it not a very high bar to clear

Trump’s legacy will go down the shitter with this war. He is Bibi’s little bitch and has no clue to get out of this mess.

It is 100% propaganda as that is a state backed account but that doesn’t mean it isn’t Iran’s actual position

“One of these guards always lies, and the other one never tells the truth.”

And Iran "leader" is likely dead xd.

I think Iran has been pretty consistent in their messaging. Definitely more reliable than US.

The standards for what passes for news stories in this sub are .... something. I rationalize it by the fact that even nonsense stories can move markets so I guess it fits the sub? But shit, some of what is posted here is pretty sus.

Even if it isn't their play, saying it is and just waiting a month or three would likely have the desired effect

One old tactic was to, just starve out castles. Surrounded by an army they were unable to re supply.

Hell, it hasn’t even been that long. The Berlin Airlift was a massive undertaking to break the blockade and that wrapped up in like 1949. Or for that matter, Ukraine. Classics are classics for a reason.

The “conditions” are funny too. They are less than the deal they got the first time, and then blew up.

Nice play by Iran if true. They can wait it out as the US is supposedly running out of missiles. It would have to be American citizens that need to step up to the plate to stop Trump from actually depleting the inventory.

Both sides are full of shit. Iran cannot survive two years of an oil blockade. Their people will starve. Who knows where we end up but it will certainly be far worse than we were before Trump decided he was smarter than all of lit generals and ever former president in modern history.

Probably but when you put pressure on global Oil supply - sanctioned Russian oil, damaged bombed capacity in Middle East and Iran oil supply...prices will go up and will accelerate these countries along with oil dependent nations moving away from the dollar.

Market is already sniffing out all this bullshit. It knows Iran needs a deal. It knows Trump wants a deal. It’s clearly decided that’s where we eventually will end up.

Yes the wall street/market will price...but main Street impact is the bigger issue....there are countries like India and China who import 80% of oil to run their daily economy and daily life...India hotels had to close down due to lack of gas shortage...a small supply shock will throw governments out...so they are fixed to do whatever works to keep daily life up. HIGHER GLOBAL DEMAND and LOW GLOBAL SUPPLY means always HIGH PRICES for everyone including the US.

"Moving away from the dollar" has been an evergreen story since 2003. Not even a story because it just gets drive-by mentions every now and again, never discussed in detail.

Yes. But it has moved more now than 2003. Will slowly pickup pace. When you force countries who are dependent on daily oil to run their homes....you give no option.

It's a fine hypothesis, just evergreen and thinly supported. The petrodollar system has been around about 52 or so years, the moving away from the dollar theory has been around for half of that time

It has been 5 months since the strait has been closed and global industry is still functioning and figuring out how to get by. Not ideal but it hasn’t been the apocalypse some people made it out to be.

Still functioning ? You need to understand how oil markets work

Don’t see empty shelves at the stores or lines at the gas station…I would call that functional.

Can't Iran export to its neighbors still? Do they HAVE to send the oil through the strait?

Ship transportation is much cheaper. They'd need rail or trucks to transport oil at scale and both are more expensive by at least double for the transport cost. Rail also has the negative of being static and vulnerable to persistent attack. They're doing minuscule running via motorbikes and small trucks across the desert currently but that is inefficient at best.

True, I figured if they were gonna wait out Trump they still need to find some way to sell the oil.

They need to sell it much more than we need to buy it. A few days ago it was at the exact same price it was when Trump was inaugurated for the second time. It's gone up a few dollars in the past few days but every day of sub-$100 oil is a Trump win that nobody will ever give him credit for.

There was a pipeline project from Iran to India through Pakistan...their was chanar port development and faking it on rails from there avoiding the strait...all put to a stop by US

You lost the war you started. Cope.

Lol. Who is this “you”. Are they in the room with us now

We aren't blockading shit long enough for that to happen. Trump will flip flop based on God knows what and pull out with absolutely zero credibility. His sycophants and Fox News will praise him for not getting into yet another forever war, and will brush off the 300 billion+ as just doing business with freedom.

The US doesn't have the political will to continue the blockade for 6 more months let alone 2 years. The Iranians have all the cards.

All the cards!! That military dictatorship is a huge success so far!

If you disagree with that then what options do you think the US has left? We're not putting boots on the ground. We're running out of precision munitions and interceptors. Air strikes alone have clearly not toppled the regime or disabled their missile and drone capabilities. Trump's threats to wipe out their civilization and destroy all their power plants haven't been taken seriously. They're in control of the strait and we've shown them that there's no point in negotiating with us. We have no leverage over them and all they have to do is just keep doing what they're doing until the midterms and/or until Trump is out of office. Going forward they're going to control the strait and there's clearly nothing we can do about that. The Trump admin completely botched this. So yes, they have all the cards and we have none.

Congress can (and probably will) fund replacement munitions, which are already in the production pipeline "They're in control of the strait", no not really. The U.S. Navy has military superiority but the theocratic paramilitary that controls Iran only needs nickel and dime attacks to disrupt commercial shipping. It should (and will) be dealt with the same as any terrorist group. Iran's greatest "card" is that Democrats, if they do well in November (which may or may not happen), will apparently let them win.

Congress can (and probably will) fund replacement munitions

It will take years to replace what they've used.

Iran only needs nickel and dime attacks to disrupt commercial shipping.

Exactly my point.

It should (and will) be dealt with the same as any terrorist group

How? Further bombing? Hasn't worked yet. Boots on the ground? There is no political will in the US for this and it would take 500k+ to subdue a country the size of Iran. So what's your suggestion? To hand wave a solution in a reddit comment and blame the Democrats? Republicans control both houses of Congress and the executive branch, so if there was a solution surely they'd be implementing it right now, right?

"It will take years," friend it all takes years. The bombs that were already dropped took years. The defense manufacturing base doesn't go dormant and Trump pushed to expand it before all of this started. Iran's potential to carry out terrorist attacks "isn't your point", it's the reason this war is happening, find a different point if you want to make one your own "How" do you deal with a terrorist group? Militarily. Not hard.

Lol they literally survived the Iraq-Iran war.

Iran can easily survive a few years. Maritime transport is not their only means of trade. They can hold off for 4-5 years, maybe longer depending on how much oil goes up after countries exhaust their strategic reserves. They have no real incentive to negotiate at the moment, unless they are offered a windfall deal, they can sit and wait. Without a deal, gas will hit $5.50+ average by November.

every former president in modern history.

45th was equally as dumb IMO.

Their people will starve, but THEY themselves won’t.

Iran can probably last a little if they continue selling oil to China, as well as that toll they are implementing (if it is)

I could see this being their play

the al-k-da strategy. Wait. Just wait.

This is almost certainly their play. What incentive do they have to do anything else?

I actually feel a tiny little bit bad: trump did try to fold, a couple times. But every time Israel would bomb Lebanon and the whole thing would be reset. I mean trump is entirely to blame because he’s a narcissistic dipshit, but listening to bibi was really some peak stupidity and now he’s trapped by that psycho (who is also stuck in the bloodthirsty administration he himself is responsible for building)

Yup. As Conor mcgregor once said… Who da fook is this guy? Seriously tho. Mah come as a surprise but not every politician word carry water

They don't really have a choice. Trump doesn't abide by his own deals. They'll just get bombed again in 3,6,9 months.

I think this brings dropping a nuke on Iran odds up?

Wiping out all of humanity for the Israelis? Sounds insane. Any order to do that should result in whichever leader ordered it being charged and publicly hanged.

Not likely, no. It'll increase the bombings on their weapons stock piles tho.

My man, this is old news. Strait is open now.

Sure it is

And Iran has surrendered after recognizing us as liberators!!1!!!1

Everyone clapped, it was a whole thing

Oh yea? Says who?

Well played if true.

Until you remember that we're also cooked, burnt actually, by all the resulting inflation. 😞🔥

That's why it's well played from Iran's perspective. It cooks America. 

Assuming the Iranian people are okay with their economy going in the toilet? 

It was already in the toilet. Trump picked a fight with a country that had nothing to lose.

Oh they have plenty to lose, the citizens didn't rise up over nothing earlier this year. 

Seemed to me that the CIA and Mossad stoked that one up and it didn't work.

Tell me about all this evidence outside a trump tweet

Why wouldn't they have tried?

You’re the one making a conspiracy theory So let’s see the evidence

You need evidence that intelligence agencies would be doing their job before and during a conflict? Carry on fam.

Do you resent evidence got 1953 or 2026?

Iran’s economy is already in the sewers, and it’s going to keep getting worse, the people can’t do anything about it and the only thing that can help them (the US) can’t make up their mind on what they want to do is

Iranians have resorted to stealing groceries. Looks like civil war incoming.

It wouldn’t be much of a civil war and more like a revolution

Iran shrewdly starved and killed 10,000s of it own people prior to the war to prepare the populace for war times

Sounds like a great reason for them to rise up then

Why would they if we're killing them at the same rate? They either side with the devil they know or the devil that doesn't care. Those people already know gonna be were killing them regardless, and they have a new government and leaders. What happened before is completely irrelevant to those in power now.

Because their home rule has actively made their lives worse? Similar reasons to other revolutions that have occurred in history. 

But they didn't? Their lives was already worse from our constant bombings, which predates the new ruler's ascension. The new ruler is invoking more will than past leaders that's positioning them to become stronger players. Today's growing pain, tomorrow's new found strength.

Well, you'd be 100% correct if you ignored the protests and killings of protestors BEFORE the bombings occurred, but since we can't ignore that fact, you're wrong. Iran made their lives worse.  I appreciate the attempt at revisionism though! 

It also cooks Iran.

They don't have nearly as far to fall or as much to lose. 

Yes they do lol. Look at their inflation

After you've seen your family bombed to hell... Inflation is just another Tuesday

And cooks me too because I was in the pot.. I didnt do anything... Just sayin. 😭🦞🔥✨👀

and doing nothing to rectify it… more like a frog

That just means Iran is going to be exceptionally poor for at least Trump's entire term

Doesn't usa export oil now? So it helps the country now. Plus natural gas. Europe is cooked lol. Same with china and japan.

The oil market is global and high prices only help the oil sector

Yes! Which usa has a lot of now. Same with ai exports.

Inflation is way worse in Iran. Like, way, way worse.

You could say it's been exploding 

Everything is way worse in Iran. I feel very sorry for the people living there

Blame the 77 million

We are all cook with him in office anyways.

...until they get bombed for another 6 months while their economy crumbles under sanctions that starve thousands of people. It might be what's best for the Iranian regime, but it's certainly not what's best for Iranian people.

All Iran has to do is not lose. They don’t even have to “win.” And how quickly we forget how effective Middle East guerilla warfare is when it comes to draining our economy.

Not losing is already resulting in their people starving. All they have to do is give up nukes, and they'd get concessions. It's telling that they won't. Guerilla warfare is irrelevant when the US's sanctions and bombings have been so successful. The US doesn't need to hold land. They're just waiting Iran out.

Imagine rooting for the world's most dominant terrorist state. Jfc.

acknowledging reality is not rooting for the enemy. I hear this a lot when people blindly assume the US can just do as it pleases. Iran is no saint by any means, but that's not what they were saying. You equivocating it to rooting for them is immature. Know your enemy, know their strengths and weaknesses. That includes all participants.

I mean at the same time the US will further deplete stockpiles, their economy will crumble, and at the end of it they’re going to be in the exact same position as they are now.

Iran has near zero effect on the US economy. The strait being closed only increases the world's dependence on US natural gas, as well as oil from the US, Russia, and Venezuela/US. The US would sooner let up Sanctions on Russia at this point than on Iran.

A near zero effect? Is that why the price of gasoline and diesel remains unchanged since the start of the conflict and the strategic reserves are at the same level? Is that also why the price of agricultural inputs/outputs in America has remained unchanged?

The price of gas hasn't even really reflected the price per barrel of oil. It's speculative, and it reverts to the mean just like everything else. Agricultural products are still within reasonable price ranges in the US. People aren't even adjusting their buying at all. Meanwhile, more than half of Iran is malnutred by their own wildly underestimating and measurements of malnutrition. People are literally starving there.

You dont understand Iran yet. They arent just another middle eastern country. They can be fully independent at a lower quality of life for a long time. By then America will learn what it means to pay 13$ at the pump

And that's just it, isn't it. We're talking about people with a quality of life standard that makes homeless people in the US look comfortable. The rural areas of Iran are full of mud and brick huts with people that don't use bank accounts, cellphones and the internet. They can endure their current conditions longer than the US can endure $7/gal Diesel.

It doesnt take much to live off vast areas of land. Even low levels of agricutlture works out fine. I saw fruits on US shelves and thought they were all similar and huuuge. I mean, that's not how agriculture works. 1 Mango tree feeds 6 families. One pumpkin patch can do something similar, all while growing in kitchen waste. tons of berries. ... etc etc. drought resistant cereals, etc etc... You dont need much to live. However the american/saudi style means rejecting perfectly ok food before and after it reaches stores. One of my first experiences in the US after landing, sleeping off the trip and going of the hotel in the morning, was through the front of a Panera bread. They had piled up about 3 bags full of loaves! I thought that was unhygenic storage, only to later realize they had thrown it out. WTF. I saw massive waste everywhere.

And Americans will cry about paying 5 dollars for gas and inflation skyrocketing. Not only dad, it will pus the fed to raise rates

Yes, probably, but that won't help Iran. Trump is already ringing US elections, and even if Dems are able to regain any modicum of control, the Dems also don't want Iran to have nukes. They'll be just as hardlined about that as Trump. It's a nonstarter. Iran won't get anything better than the deal they had under Obama, except it would certainly be vastly more strict on everything involving nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.

Nahhh America has no power. Look at Russia single handedly taking on Europe, all the sanctions and still its standing. Iran has become independent to were Trump can talk all the crap he wants and continue his blockade but it won't do nothing. They got you by the balls

Wtf are you on about? Russia is banging its head against Ukraine and is in fact starting to lose ground. It’s not like it’s a full on fight between Europe and Russia. If it was this war would go very different but who knows what the damage would be. Russia should. E utterly embarrassed with the situation it is in right now.

Yeah with all the help from Europe and America. They are out of interceptors. Every missile Russia shoots hits it target now. And guess what, that's why Iran has America by the balls, missiles can't be intercepted anymore. All interceptors are in Israel protecting the holy land 🤣

It's impressive that you managed to tell me that you know nothing about the US, EU, Iran, or Russia in such a short paragraph.

This could easily also cause an uprising. If the populace gets hungry and desperate enough there is essentially nothing left to lose. A starving and angry population is a very dangerous beast to wrangle

Bombed with what? The US can't escalate or Iran will decimate ME oil production, they already used up their long range strike missiles and interceptors. Fly aircraft over Iran when they have all their new shiny manpad AA from China?  Trump has no good moves here, hence why he didn't actually bomb the fucking shit out of the or whatever nonsense he was recently spouting. 

You’re right overall but manpads are only useful against low flying aircraft, typically helicopters or drones. To shoot down fighters and bombers you need big missiles like the Patriot that can reach that high.

You're absolutely right. Although I'm assuming if the US started a lengthy traditional bombing campaign the net effect would be the same, with Iran simply retaliating until the neighboring infrastructure was annihilated.  Or China/Russia totally "wouldn't *wink* *wink* supply them with air defenses capable of downing US jets. 

Middle eastern oil production is irrelevant right now anyway since neither Iran nor the US are letting anything thru the strait. The US has not used up their long-range weapons nor interceptors, and their Chinese equipment has hit like two planes out of hundreds of planes doing thousands of flyovers. Pretending Iran has the upperhand right now is beyond absurd. It's pretty telling of either where you get your news or your intentions here.

Your reply would also allude to where you get your news and your intentions. I'm not saying either of you are right or wrong, but your conviction that our stockpile of munitions hasn't been drastically depleted and put the US in a position of weakness speaks to your news sources. Your comment bout ME oil production being irrelevant is also another point that a politically skewed news source would spout. I try to gather as much information as I can from a multitude of news sources and see if I can see any kind of consistent message.

Don't need to bomb them. If the statement above is true, then Iran is resigned to being poor until end of Trumps term. Iran's currency is pretty much worthless on the international level

The global economy and US military blockade operations would collapse long before 2 years of a sustained occupation of the strait.  All Iran needs to do is hold out a few more months, they've already denegrated the US reputation in a way that's never been done before. It reminds me of a quote from Iron Man where Micky Rourke says: "If you make God bleed, people will cease to believe in him". Iran has just done that to the US military.  Now all that remains is not giving Trump a political off ramp. Gas prices snd inflation will do the rest if this is the status quo come November.  

"The global economy and US military blockade operations would collapse long before 2 years of a sustained occupation of the strait. " \-How? I completely disagree. Most of the oil from the strait is going to asia.

If what you said is true, the Us military is a paper tiger. Russia and China can just walk in and over take CONUS. But it didn’t happen. 

Man pads highly effective? The USA was flying thousands of sorties over Iran. Only took a few hits on anything flying. 3 aircraft hit, 0 pilot deaths, we setup an airstrip and blew up more aircraft than that just to get our F15 pilot back. We have thousands and thousands of bombs/missles for aircraft. The only thing strained is some stand off munitions that were only procured in small amounts and regional interceptor missiles.

IRGC institution is no longer afraid of organized civil resistance. Months of indecisiveness and incoherent strategy from the Trump Administration allowed Tehran to take the time and literally cut through tens of thousands of young protesters.

That's possible. It's unclear what remains of dissidents in Iran. It's possible that they're still organizing, but it's also possible that Iran has killed and imprisoned many of them. However, every young person they kill leads to many more that hate them. Parents, siblings, friends,...no one supports governments that murders their loved ones.

By "cut through" you mean kill, right? Say it. They are killing their own young people.

Surely it takes something to make even someone like IRAN just go "Honestly, we've just *fucking had it* with the guy".

Killing the leaders or negotiators several times during negotiations will do that to you. Israeli tactics are short term win long term loss scenarios, and unfortunately Trump doesn't look at the long game.

Trump has 3 options: 1. Boots on the ground. 2. War crimes even worse than what we have already committed. 3. Carpet/Nuclear bombing. All three are not just heinous but ineffective. The third especially is the most dangerous. If Trump uses a Nuke, Putin will have a free hand to nuke Ukraine, and China to use nukes against Taiwan.

4. Continue the blockade and strangle Iran’s economy. Iran is facing 85% inflation, record unemployment, 3+ hour fuel wait, and shocks to its supply chain.

Giving America 0 benefit when this ultimately ends. There are absolutely no paths to this not being a complete and utter failure of a pointless conflict.

Bro, just buy a few LMT shares and let it ride

Shhh reddit doesn't want logic.

Oh no, how will the Ayatollah expect to win reelection if that happens?

5. And wait while our economy is being crippled and our people destroyed for one egomaniac losers narcissistic psychosis?

I bet 100% of my NW the US will be just fine.

4% inflation and Negative Job growth disagree.

Not even a mild recession.

This also makes US, Russian, and Venezuelan oil more valuable, and it encourages more countries to build infrastructure for US's natural gas. And, it enables Trump to justify bombing more of Iran's weapons stockpiles, which is really what their Middle Eastern neighbors and Israel want out of all this.

Also makes Iranian oil more valuable which can be easily exported to India and China via Caspian Sea and land routes which alone make up a quarter of the global oil demand.

That's true, but the land routes aren't large pipelines. The volumes are miniscule compared to the shipping lanes. Further, the distance, mountains, and wildly unstable geopolitics make land pipelines to East and South Asia basically impossible.

As per CIA and US military’s CSIS assessments, a blockade will not work as Iran has a sea access to Russia through Caspian see and land access to China through Pakistan and Afghanistan. Moreover, US does not have the required munitions to sustain a blockade as per CSIS assessments.

Too bad Iran isnt a democracy.

Pretty sure it's been determined by people much smarter than Trump that boots on the ground will be diasterous so that's probably what he'll do.

If any nation takes a first strike initiative, there are only 2 possible outcomes after that. Either all other nuclear capable countries take a strategic loss or it is the end of the world as we know it.

He needs to end the war or he'll lose mid terms, also the national debt is getting attention now.

The party's mid term efforts are being mogged by a $20 burrito. Nobody cares about winning the war compared to that.

Trump cares. He literally needs to being able to announce the war as a win in some shape pr form (even if the world calls his bullshit)

He will 100% do a Jan6 like insurrection for midterms. MMW.

indeed. the request for a 1.5 trillion budget for the army and his private militia (ICE), will ensure this

He has a fourth option which is do nothing and that’s honestly how he seems to be leaning at the moment. He’s insulated from the effects of an oil crisis unless Democrats somehow manage to get enough votes to impeach him which seems incredibly unlikely.

Delete the spr to catastrophic levels. Yes. That will work.

Option 1-3 doesn’t help any of the 3 countries. It’s entirely off the table.

Man... that third option really would be ironic. Started this war to make sure Iran didn't have nukes, ends up nuking them.

Nah just start another war... people are easily distracted... this one took attention from Epstein files successfully, next one will take away from Iran... its a tried and true tactic.. hell he might get 3rd term out of it.

Nukes aren't happening. The military wouldn't comply, and it would be the one thing that would get the GOP to wake up and allow his removal from office.

well they’re still asleep at the wheel after after Trump threatened allies, invaded countries, did massive insider trading, proposed to breach the constitution multiple times. so not even sure nukes will wake them up, unless this idiot sent these nukes in a red state

Putin nor Xi will ever nuke the places they want to extract value from and their friends and family to live in the future. Not even carpet bombing.

So…calls?

China is not that stupid, come on..

Dumb motherfucker I swear

lol deal next week. Iran lies just like Trump, their economy is getting cooked right now. This is all posturing to gain concessions.

This is what we’ve been saying since the war started. The truth is the Iranian government can get away without worrying about the economy. They don’t give a single fuck about their citizens starving to death.

That strategy always works until it doesn't. People tend to revolt when they are regularly starving.

no sign of revolt tho, they even support iran and hate america, another ignorant american thinking trump will win or is winning

Except there is. One of the main issues that started this war was Iran slaughtering people who were rising up in protest *before* the US even did anything.

...another ignorant american thinking trump...

Adorably ignorant comment.

This feels less like Trump is cooked and more like a giant game of chicken.

We're in the stupidest timeline. That's the only thing I know to be true.

that might be the most accurate take in this whole thread lol.

I mean we got the stupidest President elected by the stupidest people...what would one expect, sigh

Can’t upvote this enough lol.

And the supposed smartest people allowed this to happen.

By all means, find a country more to your liking

That’s where a full Democracy fails by allowing stupid people to dictate the future of a country.

Agreed. It may be elitist, but we need some sort of intelligence test before you can vote.

Unfortunately I could see Trump coming to Congress with "Hegseth found nukes in Iran pointed right at Mar-a-lago! We need a full scale war!"

Would make Iraq look like a walk in the park. Luckily I'm above draft age and my kids are well below it. Does Trump want tens of thousands of Americans dead for who knows what gains? Maybe he does. Idk.

I have muscular dystrophy rendering one of my legs and one of my arms useless. It cost me an arm and a leg but I'm also safe.

They drafted up to 45 in World War 2. Nothing is off the table with this administration, I hope we all know that by now.

He doesn’t care, he’ll be like Putin and send people in prison to the front lines.

The Iranians would have to be idiots to believe Trump would keep to any deal he made with them. He rips up deals all the time, even ones he made himself.

See? Even Americans don’t trust him to stick to a deal lol

Why would anybody? He's a known cheat, conman and liar.

It’s a game of chicken between Iran and the SPR levels. Iran is thinking they can withstand the blockade longer than Americans will tolerate $7 gas and a collapsing global economy.

They can.

They absolutely can not. Iran can 100% not survive another 3 years of blockade no matter what they say

No, they absolutely can. During the Iran-Iraq war (which we basically funded Saddam), over 200k Iranians died... Also, there is this thing called the Caspian Sea; a big reason China did the Belt and Road was to mitigate shit like this affecting them in the future.

This. People love to downvote these kinds of comments. I mean fuck Trump. He’s a demented old fool that thought this would end like Venezuela. He’s in over his head. But so is Iran. They cannot survive years of oil blockades.

This is going to play out over weeks, not years.

And eventually both sides just declare victory and the oil flows. Because that’s what both sides want. That’s what oil futures are telling you. And they’ll continue antagonizing. Lots of fits and starts. It’ll flare up again. Then back down. The real changes won’t come for years. The reality is that our forces will have indefinite deployments in the Middle East now for at least a decade. All paid for by U.S. taxpayers. And markets won’t care.

I guess we’ll find out.

This is going to play out over a matter of weeks, not years. You’re watching the end game begin.

It won't be 3 years. Iran is actively rebuilding their drone and ballistic missile supply and the US is running out of interceptors. Iran would just need to conduct a massive attack on just one of the US support ships and overwhelm the fleet's defenses. Trump won't be able to tolerate the political backlash of a lost ship and dead sailors for an unnecessary and illegal war. The US war-gamed this scenario about 25 years ago.

They don’t have to, we can’t make it until the end of 2026.

The decades of preparation says otherwise smh

They survived the Iran Iraq war this is a joke by comparison.

The American economy won’t collapse because of Iran. Now parts of Asia and Europe and the Middle East might.

Good thing those places have no economic links to the U.S.

Your puts aren’t going to pay out buddy. I’m sorry to tell you.

My problem with this is that every day that passes gives Trump another chance to find a way out.

This L belong to Donald the idiot from Florida. Congress will officially end the war in Jan like they did with Vietnam war. Congress fund the war and end it too not the president. I have learned all from my good Jewish professors in both high school and college too.

A game of chicken implies Iran has something the lose, Trump already wasted a majority of our missiles in idiotic strikes that's done nothing. Hes turned longstanding allies against us, and soured our standing with Middle East allies by taking away the defenses we gave them. This "Iran War" has already entered the Pyrric stage way sooner than anyone could have expected.

Well Iran has made a lot of enemies in the middle east now, too.

Yeah, enemies now naked and extremely vulnerable to Iranian attack if they dared to do anything because Trump took away the defense we gave them...

Either way. innocent iranians and americans suffer.

And the rest of the world with high prices

I guess one man can make a huge difference to the world lol.

It's a slow boiling Frog. His Treasury Secretary is also conducting bond sales in the same manner as he criticized Yellen; rolling over long durations into TBills.

As much as Iran’s government are a bunch of evil fucks, they are unfortunately correct that negotiating with Trump is a no-go. There’s no point to negotiating with someone who’s signature is worth less than the paper it’s written on. They’re just as happy to wait the guy out until he’s ousted from office or dies.

More like the people of Iran are cooked which is sad. Their leaders dgaf about their well being or prosperity.

The exact same thing could be said for the people of America.

The Hormuz report is not legitimate

It's a little too on-the-nose to be believable

Twitter/X don’t give government verification checkmark to Iranian accounts but its actually true statement by advisor of Iran’s Parliament speaker. They literally mentioned the source in the tweet.

Fair enough, googling it I do see real news sites reporting it as well. But I believe I have seen some bullshit claims coming out from this specific account before, so definitely not the best for screenshots like this

Doesn’t matter, look at how many people (or bots) eat up these posts from whatever source they come from.

That's ok, the same reporting came from the WSJ.

Wow, still not enough to distract from the issue of our lives: the wnba draft!

So much winning......

At least they are honest. No word salad, no market manipulation.

The global economy is cooked.

\ \ \ \ \_ \ \ \ \_ \ \____ Are selling early access to their tweets?

Iran is gonna "Jimmy Carter" him.

As long as Epstein files remain Iran will be a never ending story.

This is how most the the planet deals with Republicans in America. Just wait out the next election cycle until you get reasonable adults in the room again. Once a Democratic Congress comes in, they make the deals, drop the tariffs, and cool the frustrations on the international stage. Suddenly, the world goes back to a better place and Republicans can cry that Democrats gave up the farm to cancel tariffs and got “completely taken advantage of” to reopen the Straight of Hormuz. Democrats shit their pants at the slightest pressure, blow the midterms, blow the general, install another Republican psychopath and The Whole process starts over again

The difference for Iran is that most Democrats also don't want Iran to have nukes and they'll continue to trash Iran's economy to ensure that.

Also the admin is scared if they allow Iran to toll the "international waterway" then it sets a precedent for other countries to do the same, spiking shipping rates

So hold until 2029 ✅

Trump is very sad to sell his Venezuelan oil for double.

Despite the source credibility, it is what is actually happening if you look beyond True Social

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“Art of the Deal”

More like, the Iranian people are cooked. They're already cooked, and this is going to make everything so much worse for them.

Should be cheaper for trump to fire missiles into the desert test ranges. You dont have to pay for the ordnance and damages. Why pay twice for the kid to have fun?

And if Vance is the next president?

Any Republican and at least half of Democrats would have a similar policy. US politicians aren't going to let Iran have nukes, and they'll keep trashing Iran's economy to ensure that.

Weird, the last president who made a deal with Iran happened to ensure that Iran wouldn't have a nuclear weapon until.... Trump tore up that deal back in 2019.

Unfortunately, Obama didn't ensure that. That was part of the problem. Iran continued with their nuclear development programs, specifically developing the capabilities to enrich uranium much faster. Trump was dumb to tear up that deal rather than work peacefully to revise it, but ultimately, it wasn't going to prevent Iran from getting nukes. This war still has the potential to do that, despite this dumb article that literally means nothing; it isn't even from Iranian authorities.

The cost to use force to eliminate their nuclear program forever is measured in trillions. 

What comes after a trillion? I can't count that high.

The cost of Iran having nuclear weapons is vastly more expensive. They are a terrorist state. Pretending otherwise is absurd.

Pretending this is anything but a moronic fiasco is absurd. And sending Americans to die on foreign soil because of this bullshit is even worse. 

It can be both a moronic fiasco and still be based on the practical realization that a Jihadist terrorist state shouldn't have nukes. Americans aren't dying on foreign soil. This isn't a "boots on the ground" style of war. It's a "bomb their military infrastructure and stockpiles" sort of war. It's barely even a war, it's more like two countries trying to wait out the other's economic resilience (Iran) or political apparatus (US). Regardless, no Republican nor Democrat is going to let Iran have nukes, and neither will let Iran set up a toll on the strait, except maybe a complete pushover Democrat, which we haven't had since, idk, maybe Carter. If Iran tolls or blocks the strait in anyway, the US will blockade it. It's that simple. Tldr: long oil.

They didn't want nuclear weapons and signed an agreement. Now they want nuclear weapons and control the Straight.

They obviously always wanted nuclear weapons, and they demonstrated that repeatedly with their continued development of fast-enrichment technologies and their development of tools to enrich uranium well beyond 60% threshold. Iran will never control the strait. They can shut it down for a while, but soon enough, the US military will clear a pathway, and then they'll charge customers for protected passage, which would still be cheaper than what Iran wanted as a toll. Further, if Iran tries to toll, the US will just keep blockading it entirely. Most of that oil goes to Asia, and it's geopolitically advantageous for the US to keep it blocked.

Imagine pretending to believe that this is about nukes.

100% parrots just repeating what Fox news tells them to think at this point.

Either that or a Hasbara troll.

Imagine pretending that wasn't always part of why the US has sanctioned Iran.

This guy probably thought there were legit WMD’s in Iraq.

Trump starts a war, against what he said he would do, after ripping up an agreement with Iran that was made by democrats, and you STILL have people bothsidings it. Incredible.

Try to read what people say, mate. I didn't both sides anything. I am a Democrat, I've voted for Dems for 40+ years. I agree with Dems who are hardlined against Iran because I understand that the idea of Jihadists with nukes is unacceptable. Further, it seems you intentionally misrepresented my statement. That's telling.

You voted with the Dems for 40 years, and you use the term “mate?” Hmmm… Dont sound like no Muican to me

That ship has already sailed when Trump pulled out of JCPOA. Why Iran refused to negotiate with Biden since they said US can’t keep its word. The thing now is negotiating on the end of the US petrol dollar. Tolls won’t be in USD so it’s highly unlikely the oil transaction will be on USD. 20% of the world’s oil not done in USD. That has broader impacts like less demand for USD which will pressure fed to keep interest rate high.

Iran didn't negotiate with Biden because they were caught lying about their nuclear enrichment program and they didn't want to have to answer to that. Iran has no power to end the USD's dominance. Their war is only solidifying that. If Iran tries to put tolls on the strait, the US will put their own tolls on the strait. The US and literally every other country on the planet has the same right to do so as Iran. The straight is not their territory. It is international water. If Iran blocks the strait, the US will also block the strait. The broader impacts actually happening are 1) the world is investing massively in infrastructure for US natural gas, 2) US is making bank from Venezuela oil, and they'll continue developing that to make Venezuela prosperous and democratic, and 3) Iran is getting further marginalized as the rest of the world prioritizes refineries and infrastructure for the rest of the world's oil grades and Iranian oil takes a back seat basically everywhere. Oh, and 4) Iran's economy is destroyed thru sanctions for the next decade or two. The damage is both short and long-term, in an age when advancement is growing exponentially.

Where is the money from the Venezuelan oil?

Iran didn't have nuclear weapons before Trump blew up the deal that was in place and then started down this road. Based on all your replies and you position statements it's obvious that you're a conservative right wing voter. That's ok because voting is part of what makes America great. Blindly buying all the BS lies is what's making America the laughing stock of the world.

Iran was rapidly importing and enriching uranium up to around 60% before the 2025 bombing.

They developed equipment with the capability to rapidly enrich uranium. That was their way of skirting Obama's agreement while being able to continue with their nuclear ambitions. Imagine pretending Iran isn't constantly lying. Oof.

I think Vance would try to get out of this stupid mess. It’s wildly unpopular

I’m sure he’d try but it’s unlikely he’d want to agree to Iran’s terms either.

We’re gonna lose no matter what. Try to save as much face, make a deal, get out

I’m sure he’d try but it’s unlikely he’d want to agree to Iran’s terms either.

This is one of those wars where to end it we don't need to win, we just need to be willing to walk away and let Iran impose tolls on the strait. It isn't difficult, it's just a bit of pie on the face of the guy supposedly carrying a big stick that couldn't beat them into submission.

If republican wins the next presidency with this amount of fucked up, the whole country is truly fucked.

People said that with the most recent election. Democrats need to pick better candidates

They do. GOP never fucked shit up this hard before. Trump 2nd term is way worse than his dumb ass first term.

They absolutely did fuck shit up this hard before. Clearly you don't remember 9/11, the Patriot Act, Afghanistan, and Iraq. And the ensuing financial meltdown.

Good point, i was too focused on trump's stupidity.

Happens to the best of us! It's impossible to overstate how much he sucks, but we cannot fall into the trap of thinking he's anomalous. He's the endgame of GOP politics, and proof of why they must never hold any lever of power again.

I don’t think Trump is the ultimate loser in this case when gas is $5/gallon, and we are the closest to a war our military infrastructure is unequipped for than it has ever been.

Gas where I’m at is $4.5 for 85 and holy shit the ethanol thing is legit my gas mileage is so bad!! I have specific gas stations I need to go to and pay the $5 for good 85. Or $5 for 87, other stuff blows through my tank and mileage varies by gas station.

Notice how he starts talking about autism and vaccines and Greenland when things with Iran get bad. And the press is happy to cover it without critical thinking about WHY he is talking about it NOW.

Jimmy Carter 2.0 loading 😂😂😂

We hear he's cooked every day. 1.5 years later and yet here we are.

1.5? Try at least the 6 years, if not 10.

Grab em cooked was basically ceviche

[ ‘This Will Be The End Of Trump’s Campaign,’ Says Increasingly Nervous Man For Seventh Time This Year](https://theonion.com/this-will-be-the-end…)  That's from 2015. It still hasn't happened.

Trump started a war that is costing us billions and he has lost control. There is no way to turn that into a win.

Ye have little faith in the spin machine. World will carry on anyway

"Lost control"...Iran doesn't know who its leader is or if he's alive, but sure Trump has lost control

^^^ bait and/or bot.

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Trump said it was going to be 5 to 6 weeks. It's now in the 6th month, and Iran saying they are not going to negotiate for years. He has threatened total destruction numerous times if they don't open the straight, and nothing has happen and the straight is still closed. He has said they are begging for a deal, and he can't get it done. He has demanded the rest of the world open the straight, and everyone has told him to pound sand. He's depleting out oil reserves to dangerously low levels, and if reports about our munitions dwindling are true, he has made us more vulnerable. You're right about one thing, he didn't lose control, he never had it. Sure Iran is a mess too, but trump has no control and it's obvious. Trump is a joke that world understands is just a wind bag and a fool. Biggest foreign policy blunder since Afghanistan, and ain't over yet. Might be worse, especially considering it has taught Iran that locking down the straight is a gray strategy.

Trumps followers are good with it. They think he’s doing what they voted for. He could just tell them he won and they would believe it.

John Oliver parodied this best with the "We got him now" banner drop, what- 7 years ago?

I call all the doomed predictions "premature trumpgasms".

I mean it did happen. Its just he could still run and the people that replaced him didn't make a compelling argument to keep him the fuck put again.

He's truly untouchable. It's disturbing how his supporters just change their views to align with whatever he says.

Teflon Don

You're right. Nothing is going to happen or change. People need to accept this

Orrrrrr... enough people need to wake the fuck up

We could collectively end this in a week if we really wanted to

I thought *for sure* he was cooked after January 6th. Yet here we are.

For me it was the piles of stolen top secret documents they found in his shitty golf club after he left office. But no. WTF?

For me it was when he was a failed business man reality tv star

Man, if having hundreds of millions of dollars in assets, luxury properties, a private jet, and a supermodel wife is the mark of a failed business man, I am REALLY fucking up

How about 6 bankruptcies, the failure of every major business venture you’ve ever stamped your name on, and your only profitable ventures bankrolled by fronting money laundering operations and the couple hundred million you made from a reality TV show where you traded on the lie of your own success?

Let me start this by saying, I hate the man. Grew up in NY, and hated him since the 80’s. But his bankruptcies were a scummy scam tactic. He profited from them. He’d strip everything of value out of a company, not pay any bills making many of his vendors go under, hiding the money elsewhere, and then file.

I think the problem is so many of us accept those scummy tactics as legitimate business strategies. It’s one of the things that’s leading people to abandon capitalism.

Bankruptcy courts accepted those tactics, perhaps your issue is with them?

Trump has made a career out of abusing the weaknesses and flaws of our judicial system. Amusingly enough he campaigned on the ideas that his knowledge of the system made him the only one who could fix it…And there are still Q-tards out there waiting for the black helicopters, military tribunals, and medbeds. The problem isn’t simply the courts, it’s that our species is topped up with a bunch of mental defectives and the evil vampires that enjoy feeding on them.

Sorry to interrupt the group therapy session

Lol nobody cares

One of the curses the excess wealth generated by modern science and engineering has bestowed on us is that parasitic grifters can escape society’s notice, and millions of morons can look at said parasites and not see them as the morally deformed tumors they are and instead see them as role models to be emulated…Fucking pathetic.

But the Right is angry

And yet all of that doesn't change a single thing about my comment.

his empire was kinda shakey and on the down swing, then he was elected and then he could extort money from others. but you are right in the world we live in some considering him a success in bussines and therfore a great person. when in reality he did some awful things to get there and is gross as human.

"Empire was on a down swing...then he was elected president" - a lot to leave out here with him running some of the greatest campaigns in Republican and Presidential history. But anyway him being a good businessman and him being a terrible person can be two different things.

Super model? Superostitute.

I forget which was which at this point.. sadly.

It’s not that people liked him. It’s that bone metastasis Joe was too vain to bow out after one term and allow for a proper primary…. I hate Trump more than almost anyone, couldn’t see myself ever voting Republican, and would support a Democrat unless there’s a better third party or independent (with an actual chance of winning) on the ballot; but Biden did a real disservice to the country by trying to run again… I feel sorry for what he’s going through, but it’s insane to see in real time that he wouldn’t have even made it halfway through a second term… when that’s exactly what most of us were concerned about….

I completely agree. And although I’m a lifelong democrat that situation is one of the core problems of the party. They want to decide what’s best for us. Even if it’s not what we want. Like forcing Hillary because it was her time.

This exact thing is a lot of why people who aren't Democrats are so against considering it. The whole idea of someone you don't have any good reasons to trust being allowed to decide everything for you through regulation is terrifying. Democratic governance is largely about increasing regulation to enforce "what's right", so seeing the Democratic party consistently put the candidate they want at the top, rather than have a democratic process of election to push the people's candidate to the top, is a prime example of the concern in action. Those people putting their own interests over everyone else's are also deciding "what's right", so it undermines the whole approach. If there were well reasoned candidates on either side willing to debate and have dialogue and actually consider and meaningfully and respectfully engage the people's opinion /perspective, and especially if those people could actually be given a chance if enough people were behind them (as you might exoect would happen in a democracy), it would go a long way to convincing people to engage in the system. Because it seems shady and behind the scenes, a lot of people hope for transparency and someone who will at least cheat you to your face and not try to hide it. Enter Trump presidency. Trust in government has pretty low for a long time now, and oppositional politics serving elitist interests at the expense of the masses has unfortunately become the norm on all sides. Without a fair system and reasonably honest candidates it's hard to have faith in the system

The Dems acted in principle to look where’s it got you guys. Instead of fighting the enemy, you fought amongst yourselves and let the enemy win.

I think the Democrat establishment did more a disservice foisting Harris upon the voting public than the incumbent president did running for a 2nd term

Biden endorsed her while dropping out. Had he not made that endorsement, it’s likely there would have been some kind of primary-lite or similar event to at least battle-test Harris and give others a shot. That endorsement was the second worst decision he made…

Biden had zero agency over this process (or the vast majority of his presidency or even the choice of Harris as VP). The democratic establishment really wanted a woman president and Harris is the basket they put the eggs in.

Dawg the voters did the disservice.

Biden did a real disservice to the country by trying to run again…

You're not wrong, but there is a lot more wrong with the USA than two old men not knowing when to call it quits. We are an apathetic if not nihlistic, entitled, selfish society that is anti-intellectual and lacks good public education that doesn't brainwash you into believing in American exceptualism. The canary in the coal mine was masks during COVID. If people can't do the common sense bare minimum to protect, not themselves, but others than we live in a cold, irrational, selfish society. So when inflation soared and gas prices went up under Biden...of course Trump was going to win.

I thought he was Cooked thousands of time, but each time , he come big, bigger, better, stronger, more powerful. They really created the ultimate devil. There is no stopping him. He’s going to be President in 2029.

Nah. He won’t make it to ‘29. Cholesterol is undefeated.

That’s what I thought , But somehow a guy that eats only McDonald’s, Coke, obese and never exercise is still going. How????

Shit....I thought republicans were cooked after 2008. It took less than 2 years for them to make people forget. Now they own all regular and social media....yeah we fucked unless something drastic happens.

Well he's surely changing shades of colour. He's either dying or slowly roasting

"The  turkey don't stop being burnt just because you ain't opened the oven to look." -- old country saying I just made up

Replace turkey with biscuits and it could be a southern saying

Senator Kennedy?

I love his sayings

Said in a Fog-Horn-Leg-Horn voice.

Haha - exactly

"The turkey don't stop being burnt just because you ain't opened the oven to look." - u/LurkerFailsLurking, probably

No "probably" about it. Like that other old saying I just made up goes: "No sense guessing bout a sure thing."

The turkey will distentergrate eventually. 

Schroedinger’s turkey?

Not quite the same thing as domestic politics and media theater.

Cooked might be a little strong, but it’s probably going to be bad for him after the midterms. The Democrats are currently favored to take the House and the Senate. If they take the House Democrats suddenly have subpoena power. And taking the Senate means that judicial nominees aren’t going to get blindly rubber stamped and could mean that the Supreme Court could get back to sanity. And taking either chamber means that Trump can’t push things through via budget reconciliation.

Democrats are not going to get either. They’re running ridiculous non serious candidates. Yet the media tell us they’re doing great before every election.

This is exactly how the left looks and sounds now… Like they have a clue. They are just not serious people.

Ya'll run reality TV stars for office. Where do you get off calling *anyone* a non-serious candidate? Trump regularly talks about annexing Canada and Greenland. He put an anti-vaxxer as head of HHS (which led to the biggest Measles outbreak in decades). He suggested we inject bleach into our bodies to treat COVID. Yeah, Media is biased. And it goes in both directions. Turn on Fox News and they'll be jerking each other off about how great the economy is and how amazing Trump is and how that pesky illegal war will be over any day now. And you're correct that the the pollsters have consistently underestimated Republicans... *when Trump is on the Ballot*. Trump, for all his faults, is really good at getting people who don't normally vote to come out and vote. But only when he's on the ballot. Those same people don't seem too interested in getting to the ballots for anyone not named Donald Trump. That's the problem with running a cult of personality. Since he's been in politics, the pollsters have been pretty accurate during midterms, off-year elections, and special elections. And those have not been especially great for Republicans since Trump has been around. Even in 2022 when Biden was in office and incredibly unpopular, the Republicans had a pretty mediocre result. They only gained 9 seats in the House, lost 1 in the Senate, and lost 2 Governors. Compare that to 2018 when Trump was in office and unpopular, where the Republicans gained 2 seats in the Senate... but lost *41 in the House, and 7 Governors.* And Trump is *less* popular now than at the same point in his first term. He's also made the cost of living crisis far worse with his War in Iran and his idiotic Tariffs. The Republicans will be lucky if they hold the Senate, and in spite of openly putting their thumb on the scale with their gerrymandering, they're even more likely to lose the House. And also keep in mind that Democrats have been doing extremely well in Special Elections since Trump began his second term. While those certainly don't guarantee a good performance in the midterm, it does say something about voter enthusiasm for the Democrats. If the Republicans keep both chambers, I'll eat my words. But I'd say no way in hell they keep the House and if they keep the Senate, it'll be by the skin of their teeth.

I wish you luck. You’re going to need it. And if you can’t stand back and see the ridiculous and non serious candidates on the left you’re purposely not looking. Old fashion democrats were one thing…may disagree but not worried they didn’t love the country but these idiots are another thing and probably the best thing to happen for republicans in a while. There’s not a single serious candidate at this point for the democrats. And every day it’s seems like they’re getting worse. When you put your hate for trump above your love of your country (if that even means anything to you) this is what you get.

You can't articulate anything man. All you can do is non-specifically call *checks notes* ALL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES non-serious, presumably for the crime of not kissing Daddy Trump's feet. Let's be clear, I have major, MAJOR problems with the Democratic party, especially leadership at the top. There's a lot of deep rooted corruption in that party, and a lot of change that should happen. But comparing the Democratic Party is a lot like comparing Team Rocket to Sauron. They are not even in the same ballpark of evil. I want BOTH parties to be better, and Democrats are currently closer to what I want and voters are more willing to push the party in that direction, and candidates that reflect those values are more likely to run as Democrats. Now we have to talk about that other comment. When cornered, you accuse the other side of not "loving" America. Let me explain what patriotism is and what it is not. Patriotism is NOT waving around American flags, shooting fireworks, constantly talking about how much you love America, and blindly supporting the president no matter what he does. Those are superficial things that mean nothing, and in the case of the latter, is incredibly detrimental to democracy. Patriotism is standing up to defend the ideals of your nation, and putting your fellow man first. And also, the desire for your country to be better tomorrow than it is today. Patriotism is want accountability for your officials and wanting them to do better. You are happy to prostrate yourself for a man who is employing a personal police force who has arrested, deported, and murdered American citizens and seemingly doesn't even give a shit. Who gave the reins of the HHS to a man who started a Measles outbreak. Who gave reign on government spending to a tech billionaire whose cuts not only didn't save us money, but will cause untold deaths overseas. A man openly taking bribes in the form of his shitty cryptocurrency for anyone with a few million dollars to spare. Someone happy to throw American soldiers away and kill Iranians so he can manipulate the stock market with the thousands of stock trades he's made since returning to office. A man who claims to be the least corrupt politician of all time while bucking presidential traditions made in good faith, including releasing his tax returns and conceding an election he lost. A man who sewed doubt about our safe and secure elections by spreading conspiracy theories about the 2020 election because he's mad that he lost. A man who pardoned violent rioters who attempted a coup and assaulted and killed police officers. A man who then sued his own IRS with his own DOJ to take $1.8 billion of *our tax money* to give to said insurrectionists. A man who has been selling pardons, including to Ross Ulbricht, the founder of the Silk Road and one of the largest drug peddlers in American history. I hate Trump explicitly because I love America. He is a cancer eating away at the very heart of this country. He is killing people, he's stripping wealth away from the working class, and he's doing his best to erode our democratic process. He does not care about you or me, he cares for exactly one person on this planet: Donald Trump. He wants power and money, and he's getting it with the presidency. And you're just happy to give it to him. We will never do better until Trump and his ilk are out of office, and preferably answering for their crimes in court. I'll be eager to hear what you say after the absolute ass-kicking the Republicans get in November. Because then, it won't be me saying that I hate Trump. It'll be America saying that we hate Trump. To use a quote you guys love so much: "Facts don't care about your feelings."

Watch the video link…it’ll prepare you. And get out of your mom’s basement. Your conspiracy theories aren’t even entertaining. You don’t know the first thing about loving your country. We will see come November. Actually probably even before if you all keep pushing socialism and woke policies. I hope you do. Until then keep on hating and ranting while not mattering to anyone.

Sure buddy, I'll watch your video. I'll do it right now. In exchange, you watch a video for me. I'd link it, but this sub doesn't allow any Youtube links for some reason: "Every Illegal Act Trump Committed in 2025 (So Far)" - Legal Eagle

How is he cooked? He will tell his moronic base that he got exactly what he sought and the economy is so good people are begging him to slow it down. And his base will eat it up and call him a genius as they don’t vaccinate their children because Tylenol causes autism. If the unbelievably stupid happened, you can bet your sweet ass it will continue to happen. Until you must pass a basic IQ test to vote in the US, stupid people will continue to vote for stupid people….cuz they can relate to them.

"Trump is cooked" Est. 2016

You mean the Supreme Court

Yeah, good luck with that!! 😆

He did lose reelection. It was only the pandemic inflation spike that got him a second term.

Make America Great Again

Our king will get this sorted out shortly

Wait til gas prices are $6/gallon across the country and then he might actually be cooked

The dog not barking is that $6 would've been cheap in most Iran war scenarios, and (imo) we're over the major kinetic war hurdle

Yeah but now he's burnt. And the kitchen is on fire.

Seriously. This shit show is out of control.

He and his family are significantly richer. The only people getting cooked are us.

gas at the pump doubles and yes... he will be cooked... and yes, Americans are that simple. Try to overthrow the govt and engage in corruption and grift daily is fine, gas more than $3/gallon? Not fine.

This is maybe the first time where nobody is going to be willing or able to help bail him out of one of his major fuckups. This is going to stick to him as an ill-advised and unnecessary foot-bullet. Iran's leverage is that they don't give a crap about their people's suffering in comparison to their cause, so the bombing isn't a major threat.

Oil is virtually the same price as when he took office. Gas is too expensive but it's $5 cheaper than what the "smart people" said it would be if there's a war with Iran.

Trumps enemies up to this point were establishment goons who bend to capital. Iran does not fall under that category. There is no way out of this one. 

And he’s continued to make dumb ass decisions. Iran is the latest of them